Animation studios too

You're trying really hard to deflect. The truth is, they cited one of the reasons for moving abroad was being unable to get decent animators from Europe (Direct words from the animators themselves). You know and I know, that is directly to do with Brexit. No question about it. Agin it's almost tragic how hard you people try and recover from the fact you were conned
Weren't you 'conned' when you voted Conservative at the last general election ?
 
You're trying really hard to deflect. The truth is, they cited one of the reasons for moving abroad was being unable to get decent animators from Europe (Direct words from the animators themselves). You know and I know, that is directly to do with Brexit. No question about it. Agin it's almost tragic how hard you people try and recover from the fact you were conned
Your comprehension skills appear to be extremely limited. Are you really, like genuinely, unable to read that article and not realise there is a single reason that it exists (to make it simple for you: lobbying for tax relief) and everything else is just window dressing without any actual details to pad out the claim that they need tax relief.

Weren't you 'conned' when you voted Conservative at the last general election ?
No. He's too smart to be conned. He knew what he was doing. He was just selfish and that's allowed.
 
But it's another situation where Brexit is being blamed when it isn't the issue. Nothing about Brexit changes the situation in the article. The problem is other countries are offering more tax relief than we are. We are in charge of our own tax situation whether we are within the EU or not. We could increase the tax relief to be more competitive. In any non-Brexit bashing article from the Guardian they would be having a go at companies that were complaining that they had to pay too much tax or they had to provide training for staff.

Any issues described in the article are decisions that the government can change if they want to and the situation would have been the same if we were still in the EU. It seems that the major issues are tax relief which we would have had the same rates within the EU and not having enough staff because we don't spend enough on training which is down to the Tories cutting funding for training and the arts which again is just Tories being Tories. The sticking plaster of importing people that other countries have trained instead of providing training for our own people isn't something that anyone should be championing. We've got 1,000s of people doing media studies/film degrees etc that would jump at the chance to work for a company like Aardman and if they think that universities aren't providing training to get them up to scratch to enter the workforce then they should be working with them to improve their course content.
You rightly state that the tax credits argument is largely special interest pleading. These tax differentials are decided at the country level regardless of EU membership. To Brexit supporters, the inability to import cheap labour from Europe is a feature of Brexit rather than a failure. The key word is 'cheap'. European workers should easily qualify for Skilled Worker Visas if sponsoring companies are offering either > £25,600 or the 'going rate' - hardly a high hurdle. The most disturbing and substantial complaint is that our universities are producing graduates who are not 'production ready'. Too much theory and not enough practical training.
 
Your comprehension skills appear to be extremely limited. Are you really, like genuinely, unable to read that article and not realise there is a single reason that it exists (to make it simple for you: lobbying for tax relief) and everything else is just window dressing without any actual details to pad out the claim that they need tax relief.


No. He's too smart to be conned. He knew what he was doing. He was just selfish and that's allowed.
It's not comprehension skills that are the problem, it's Brexiteers and your dogma. You've prescribed a reason to that article because it conventiely deflects from the disaster that is brexit. You were conned, you know it, you go to EXTRAORDINARY lengths to try and prove otherwise. I assume red weasel is asleep which is why you have to do the verbal diatribe for the brexit cult.
 
It's not comprehension skills that are the problem, it's Brexiteers and your dogma. You've prescribed a reason to that article because it conventiely deflects from the disaster that is brexit. You were conned, you know it, you go to EXTRAORDINARY lengths to try and prove otherwise. I assume red weasel is asleep which is why you have to do the verbal diatribe for the brexit cult.
Nope. You blindly provided an article without understanding it. I don't need to go to any lengths to deflect from anything. The only lengths I have gone to is to show you simply how to interpret a piece of news if you look below the headline. Seems like I've wasted my time because you refuse to read it.

Get Brexit Done! Which one of us voted for the party that ran with that slogan? And you think I was conned haha.
 
Nope. You blindly provided an article without understanding it. I don't need to go to any lengths to deflect from anything. The only lengths I have gone to is to show you simply how to interpret a piece of news if you look below the headline. Seems like I've wasted my time because you refuse to read it.
I have read it and quoted it?

What is it with Brexitists? why do you have to argue that black is white? Why the lies and deception?

What happened here is: Brexit exacerbated yet another problem for British business. You read the article. Got embarrassed about being conned, so ignored MOST of the article, and picked a small bit of it which you then used to spin into some wild theory so you could actually BLAME the victims for having to move countries. It's peak post brexit behaviour now isn't it. As I predicted in my OP. You people will expand so much energy trying to hide the problem brexit is causing. If only you had been this dedicated to working out the brexit lies you had fell for!
 
And we all know the drill, the usual shills will defend and deflect. Yet more will say "oh your (sic) always banging on about brexit, change the record."

Here's the thing though. Every time anyone posts on here about brexit it's a different problem with it. That's what the defelectors are trying to avoid by shouting down debate: the shear breadth of the damage it's doing to this country, hitting so many walks of life


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This is directly relevant to Teesside - as we have been a centre of excellence for animation springing from Teesside Uni and Animex festival. I saw one of the main animators from Frozen speaking there a few years ago - he loves Middlesbrough. But this would scupper it for those training here.
 
I have read it and quoted it?

What is it with Brexitists? why do you have to argue that black is white? Why the lies and deception?

What happened here is: Brexit exacerbated yet another problem for British business. You read the article. Got embarrassed about being conned, so ignored MOST of the article, and picked a small bit of it which you then used to spin into some wild theory so you could actually BLAME the victims for having to move countries. It's peak post brexit behaviour now isn't it. As I predicted in my OP. You people will expand so much energy trying to hide the problem brexit is causing. If only you had been this dedicated to working out the brexit lies you had fell for!
Ha ha ha. That could be written for you, word for word. You've gone through an article that is clearly about one thing (tax relief) and just defined the whole article as Brexit = Bad.

You really think if it was an article about Brexit it would be coming out now? It's 100% about tax relief and the tax relief consultation later this week. 100%.

This is directly relevant to Teesside - as we have been a centre of excellence for animation springing from Teesside Uni and Animex festival. I saw one of the main animators from Frozen speaking there a few years ago - he loves Middlesbrough. But this would scupper it for those training here.
You know what else will scupper it for those training here? Importing workers from abroad to fill those jobs.
 
Curtis Jobling - Creator of Bob the Builder trained at Cleveland Art College (as it was) and has done a lot of mentorship at Teesside Uni. It is internationally renowned here for animation and computer games.
 
Ha ha ha. That could be written for you, word for word. You've gone through an article that is clearly about one thing (tax relief) and just defined the whole article as Brexit = Bad.

You really think if it was an article about Brexit it would be coming out now? It's 100% about tax relief and the tax relief consultation later this week. 100%.


You know what else will scupper it for those training here? Importing workers from abroad to fill those jobs.
I cannot believe you have said that? Surely you are joking.
 
You're trying really hard to deflect. The truth is, they cited one of the reasons for moving abroad was being unable to get decent animators from Europe (Direct words from the animators themselves). You know and I know, that is directly to do with Brexit. No question about it. Agin it's almost tragic how hard you people try and recover from the fact you were conned
Show me where that is the case please.
 
This is directly relevant to Teesside - as we have been a centre of excellence for animation springing from Teesside Uni and Animex festival. I saw one of the main animators from Frozen speaking there a few years ago - he loves Middlesbrough. But this would scupper it for those training here.
That's tragic. Artistic jobs and careers being lost to Brexit.

The destruction isn't jsut financial, it's made us more insular and now less creative (what with this and the bands touring Europe issue too)
 
I cannot believe you have said that? Surely you are joking.
No. The article says that if they had the tax relief they've requested they could use it to invest in infrastructure and training. If it was as simple as importing EU workers then there'd be no need to train people. I'm of the opinion that providing jobs for people coming out of university should take precedent over taking the easy option of bringing people in to fill those jobs. Why would that be a joke?
 
That is not 'direct words from the animators themselves' as you claimed. That is a comment from the Guardian backed up by nothing.
 
No. The article says that if they had the tax relief they've requested they could use it to invest in infrastructure and training. If it was as simple as importing EU workers then there'd be no need to train people. I'm of the opinion that providing jobs for people coming out of university should take precedent over taking the easy option of bringing people in to fill those jobs. Why would that be a joke?
You seem to be arguing with yourself - so I will leave you to it.
 
the loss of access to vital European media funding.
Look up the word "vital".

Here, let me help you
of or relating to life:vital processes.
having remarkable energy, liveliness, or force of personality:a vital leader.
being the seat or source of life:the vital organs.
necessary to life:vital fluids.
necessary to the existence, continuance, or well-being of something; indispensable; essential:vital for a healthy society.
affecting the existence, well-being, truth, etc., of something:a vital error.
 
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