And so it begins...Lack of policing funds.

[Laughing]

Anyone seen fighting every weekend in every town centre by people intoxicated on alcohol and drugs?
No political capital being a racist highlighting that.?

I am not sure thats what Randy is doing. He is demonstrating that the police had to run from disorder because they did not have the numbers to control what was going on. Maybe that happens every saturday night and if he highlighted an incident from a drunken night out it would be equally valid.

The fact that you couldn't walk down the street because of uncontained violence needs highlighting. What kind of world are we living in when folk want to point to motives when someone posts a video of police running from their job, and people question their motives rather than what is unfolding in front of them?

Wrong hill, wrong fight Roofie.

 

[r00fie1]

I am not sure thats what Randy is doing. He is demonstrating that the police had to run from disorder because they did not have the numbers to control what was going on. Maybe that happens every saturday night and if he highlighted an incident from a drunken night out it would be equally valid.

The fact that you couldn't walk down the street because of uncontained violence needs highlighting. What kind of world are we living in when folk want to point to motives when someone posts a video of police running from their job, and people question their motives rather than what is unfolding in front of them?

Wrong hill, wrong fight Roofie.

Its the way racists do it Laughing.
Its nothing to do with the issue highlighted.
Its who`s using it and for what agenda.
Good morning by the way.
Have you got any algorithms for the Coventry game?
We need as much good news as we can get

 

[Abel Tasman]

We knoe the pilice are underfunded. Its not "beginning" its a continuing problem and should be discussed. Anybody reasonable will want that. What isn't reasonable is giving airtime to this pillock.

 

[MolteniArcore]

Whilst I am sure @Randy is a great guy and posts things without an underlying agenda since Covid and the dubious sources he referenced I always have a look behind what he is linking before making judgement.

The account linked is pretty horrible. It has an underlying racist tone and the stuff on there is obviously posted with an agenda.

The tweet says "It's happening" - so what is actually happening? It looks like non white people being violent on the street and if Randy is to be believed is happening all over London as the "Met police have lost control of the streets of London again". I am not sure that this is the case based on one short clip from Twitter.

A few tweets down is this explainer:



So if this is to be believed (we can't confirm or deny but it seems reasonable - more reasonable than the initial video anyway) there was a group of Anti-Iranian regime protesters and the guy being attacked supported the regime and went there to stir up trouble at a peaceful protest. Where have we seen this before? It's Tommy Robinson tactics. Insert the violent mob into peaceful protest and then the whole lot get branded as violent.

So what actually happened? Looks like a protest got out of hand as feelings are very high. I don't see any evidence of the streets of London being out of control - I see evidence that the Met could have done with a few more officers there but I can imagine they didn't expect the peaceful protest to turn like that.

Violence is abhorrent in all forms and the protesters shouldn't be beating up on that guy or attacking the police - that is bang out of order.

An interesting video but it doesn't appear to show what Randy is implying and so I feel it's a bit irresponsible to post with no context. What it certainly is doing is trying to whip up hate against Iranians and immigrants.

Randy - I am not digging at you, I think you are a good lad and have good intentions. I just wish you would look into what you were viewing a bit more. It's a worry that you have found this account and are reposting the hate on a friendly forum which is very anti-racist. It's not often we have violent videos linked on here.

I post this with the best of intentions Randy

 

[Randy]

Its the way racists do it Laughing.
Its nothing to do with the issue highlighted.
Its who`s using it and for what agenda.
Good morning by the way.
Have you got any algorithms for the Coventry game?
We need as much good news as we can get

What's my agenda then Roofie?
There are people of all colours and races involved in the violence in that video so the sly racism accusation isn't going to wash.

@MolteniArcore I came across the video whilst searching for another unrelated gang violence video my cousin told me about with regards to one gang member, a stolen car and the resulting violence that ensured on the street he lives on
. As you say the original user who posted the video is a pritt stick but that doesn't change the content of the video itself and the consequences of it.

 

[Laughing]

Its the way racists do it Laughing.
Its nothing to do with the issue highlighted.
Its who`s using it and for what agenda.
Good morning by the way.
Have you got any algorithms for the Coventry game?
We need as much good news as we can get

The issue highlighted though is more important than a handful of racists. We've always had em and may well always have them.

Good morning to you too. I do have algorithms for the Coventry game, just not run em yet Roofie. I released version 2.0 of the HomeDrawAway algorithm at the 8 games played point this season. It is doing better than last year but most games analyzed are inconclusive which is a bit frustrating. It has made a respectable 3 and a quater points profit in a couple of weeks, but most games it's response is "your guess is as good as mine"

 

[Laughing]

What's my agenda then Roofie?
There are people of all colours and races involved in the violence in that video so the sly racism accusation isn't going to wash.

@MolteniArcore I came across the video whilst searching for another unrelated gang violence video my cousin told me about with regards to one gang member, a stolen car and the resulting violence that ensured. As you say the original user who posted the video is a pritt stick but that doesn't change the content of the video itself.

I would be very surprised if Roofie is accusing you of being racist Randy. I think he refers to the original poster of the video.

 

[HarryVegas]

There's a conversation to be had about the disgraceful stripping away of funding from the police and many other public service bodies throughout the past 12 years. The way to do it does not involve the sharing of nakedly racist propaganda.

 

[Laughing]

There's a conversation to be had about the disgraceful stripping away of funding from the police and many other public service bodies throughout the past 12 years. The way to do is does not involve the sharing of nakedly racist propaganda.

Whilst I agree Harry, I'll say it again, a crumbling police force is a much bigger issue than racist propaganda. Had we had more police on the streets the video content would never have happened. 2 birds, one stone.

 

[ThatFragranceGuy]

I am not sure thats what Randy is doing. He is demonstrating that the police had to run from disorder because they did not have the numbers to control what was going on. Maybe that happens every saturday night and if he highlighted an incident from a drunken night out it would be equally valid.

The fact that you couldn't walk down the street because of uncontained violence needs highlighting. What kind of world are we living in when folk want to point to motives when someone posts a video of police running from their job, and people question their motives rather than what is unfolding in front of them?

Wrong hill, wrong fight Roofie.

This probably happens more often than we think it does. In Teesside there is often about 4 officers covering the region at certain night times from what I've been told.

I don't really gel with the idea that we give airtime to people with spurious intentions because there might be a point there. Farage had a point that immigration could be improved and Tommy Robinson probably had some valid points at some point too but similarly both platforms for hate that gather people up with the media they share by appealing to common values like rape, violence, illegal immigration etc and using that to promote their platform.

In this video the police didn't run - they leave in the van at the end because they've made a key arrest. They put him in the vehicle and get out of there, probably for his safety as it seems like this arrest is what was starting things kicking off at the beginning of the video and you'll notice there are at least two officers that remain in scene in the crowd as the video cuts.

If you're referring from them backing away, that must happen any time there is escalation against the police.

Not defending the scenes in any way shape or form, nightmare situation but you'd get the same at any white march where they clash with police and we don't get told "it" is happening.

That account spewing forth posts with "liebour" in it, attacking khan, retweetint Britain first, Union Jack header image etc tells me everything I need to know about this account

 

[Randy]

This probably happens more often than we think it does. In Teesside there is often about 4 officers covering the region at certain night times from what I've been told.

I don't really gel with the idea that we give airtime to people with spurious intentions because there might be a point there. Farage had a point that immigration could be improved and Tommy Robinson probably had some valid points at some point too but similarly both platforms for hate that gather people up with the media they share by appealing to common values like rape, violence, illegal immigration etc and using that to promote their platform.

In this video the police didn't run - they leave in the van at the end because they've made a key arrest. They put him in the vehicle and get out of there, probably for his safety as it seems like this arrest is what was starting things kicking off at the beginning of the video and you'll notice there are at least two officers that remain in scene in the crowd as the video cuts.

If you're referring from them backing away, that must happen any time there is escalation against the police.

Not defending the scenes in any way shape or form, nightmare situation but you'd get the same at any white march where they clash with police and we don't get told "it" is happening.

That account spewing forth posts with "liebour" in it, attacking khan, retweetint Britain first, Union Jack header image etc tells me everything I need to know about this account

Not so much the running away, a tactical retreat isn't a strategy to be sniffed at, especially given the amount of people there, the amount of people who were been violent and as you say they had made an arrest and then got themselves away.
I suppose the non surprising thing is that stuff like this is going to continue and probably continue to get worse as the general population becomes stressed and aggrieved with the current state of play in this country, their own communities and their homes.

 

[Laughing]

This probably happens more often than we think it does. In Teesside there is often about 4 officers covering the region at certain night times from what I've been told.

I don't really gel with the idea that we give airtime to people with spurious intentions because there might be a point there. Farage had a point that immigration could be improved and Tommy Robinson probably had some valid points at some point too but similarly both platforms for hate that gather people up with the media they share by appealing to common values like rape, violence, illegal immigration etc and using that to promote their platform.

In this video the police didn't run - they leave in the van at the end because they've made a key arrest. They put him in the vehicle and get out of there, probably for his safety as it seems like this arrest is what was starting things kicking off at the beginning of the video and you'll notice there are at least two officers that remain in scene in the crowd as the video cuts.

If you're referring from them backing away, that must happen any time there is escalation against the police.

Not defending the scenes in any way shape or form, nightmare situation but you'd get the same at any white march where they clash with police and we don't get told "it" is happening.

That account spewing forth posts with "liebour" in it, attacking khan, retweetint Britain first, Union Jack header image etc tells me everything I need to know about this account

The polices job there was to stop what was happening not just make the arrest. There were dozens of people there who should have been arrested. The police should have the resources required to handle a violent disruption without "tactical retreat".

I don't care where the message comes from. It doesn't change the point and to ignore it because you don't agree with the messenger, missess the point completely.

 

[ThatFragranceGuy]

The polices job there was to stop what was happening not just make the arrest. There were dozens of people there who should have been arrested. The police should have the resources required to handle a violent disruption without "tactical retreat".

I don't care where the message comes from. It doesn't change the point and to ignore it because you don't agree with the messenger, missess the point completely.

How do the police know how many they need on scene? They can't teleport more officers to the scene; they're just containing it as best they can and deescalating by getting him out of there.

I care where messages come from because it continues to spread the messenger and gives them influence and sway, and distorts the truth by giving more volume to angry voices. "It" isn't happening but a lot of people will now be convinced it is

 

[Muttley]

How do the police know how many they need on scene? They can't teleport more officers to the scene; they're just containing it as best they can and deescalating by getting him out of there.

I care where messages come from because it continues to spread the messenger and gives them influence and sway, and distorts the truth by giving more volume to angry voices. "It" isn't happening but a lot of people will now be convinced it is

Exactly, the messenger is very important. By giving validity and exposure to the output you run the risk of empowering their core message. I can guarantee that the "it" that the Twitter Hitler was hinting at was not the "it" that Randy was concerned about. And therein lies the danger of following and repeating the insidious hatred of the intolerant.

 

[MolteniArcore]

Exactly, the messenger is very important. By giving validity and exposure to the output you run the risk of empowering their core message.

Quite right. Stuff like this was posted by Tommy Robinson all the time and we all know the message he was trying to get across.

The messenger puts the context to the video. You know the other way to look at the video is the Met doing a great job de-escalating the situation having just turned top without the need for any other officers. Why does every situation like this need riot police? We also don't know what happened before or after the clip. It will have been edited by the original poster to suit their narrative - that is why the messenger is probably the most important part of the clip.

 

[Randy]

Quite right. Stuff like this was posted by Tommy Robinson all the time and we all know the message he was trying to get across.

The messenger puts the context to the video. You know the other way to look at the video is the Met doing a great job de-escalating the situation having just turned top without the need for any other officers. Why does every situation like this need riot police? We also don't know what happened before or after the clip. It will have been edited by the original poster to suit their narrative - that is why the messenger is probably the most important part of the clip.

It's not the before or after I was shining a light on. It was the abhorrent violence towards other people and officers of the law in front of innocent members of the public, young and old. As Laughing said, I'm not particularly bothered about who posted the video, it's been recorded on a camera phone with no editing. Yes the poster in twitter probably posted it to highlight his or her's own little crusade I agree, doesn't take away from the content of it ultimately though.

 

[Mr_Fridge]

For those people coming late to this thread, it was originally posted without the “lack of police funds” in the heading. That was added after being called out. It was left with a link to the racist Twitter account and for people to work out what was meant by it.

 

[BoroMart]

The issue highlighted though is more important than a handful of racists. We've always had em and may well always have them.

I'm not sure it is. This was an isolated incident, racism is a long standing underlying problem that causes many violent incidents such as this and often worse.

 

[r00fie1]

What's my agenda then Roofie?
There are people of all colours and races involved in the violence in that video so the sly racism accusation isn't going to wash.

@MolteniArcore I came across the video whilst searching for another unrelated gang violence video my cousin told me about with regards to one gang member, a stolen car and the resulting violence that ensured on the street he lives on
. As you say the original user who posted the video is a pritt stick but that doesn't change the content of the video itself and the consequences of it.

Didnt mention you flower.
I referred to the originator of the video.
Good morning young man.

 

[BoroMart]

Whilst I agree Harry, I'll say it again, a crumbling police force is a much bigger issue than racist propaganda. Had we had more police on the streets the video content would never have happened. 2 birds, one stone.

I'm sure there's plenty of videos that can be shared showing violence occuring due to lack of policing outside the setting of racist propaganda..problem is when it's white people being violent it's usually either treated as humour (3 white people having a dust up outside McDonalds) or glorified (100 white yoofs scrapping outside football)