Aitor is the manager of Maccabi Tel Aviv.

Look at the list of arrivals in that season. If you need me to go through and break it down and explain why each player wasn't good enough then we may as well end the conversation now. The only ones that were Premier League quality were Negredo, Valdes and potentially De Roon. Traore was nowhere near ready at that point.

Ramirez obviously downed tools. The rest of those players are not Premier League quality. Most of them aren't even Championship quality. The defenders we signed were garbage.

Im not under any assumption that thats all Karanka had to do to get players. But the bottom line is those players were not good enough to survive even if you had had Guardiola at the helm. Whoever made those signings should got the boot. Maybe it was Karanka however he made strong suggestions that a lot of these signings were done without his blessing.

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Hindsight is a fine thing. Too many people still thought signing players at that time as easy As the robson days. Players have to be convinced go come here and some simply wont want to and ots not hard to understand why. To say he wasnt backed was a nonsense. I imagine we tied very hard for players within out budget but they jusy wouldnt come. You cant just go out click your fingers and sign world beaters. I dont get why thats so hard to understand. Karanka was a bad workman blaming his tools and thats been borne out at every club hes been at - unless theyve all failed to back him🙄
 
Hindsight is a fine thing. Too many people still thought signing players at that time as easy As the robson days. Players have to be convinced go come here and some simply wont want to and ots not hard to understand why. To say he wasnt backed was a nonsense. I imagine we tied very hard for players within out budget but they jusy wouldnt come. You cant just go out click your fingers and sign world beaters. I dont get why thats so hard to understand. Karanka was a bad workman blaming his tools and thats been borne out at every club hes been at - unless theyve all failed to back him🙄
I never said he wasn't backed or we didn't try. But the players we ended up signing weren't good enough. Our recruitment failed. Orta was a big part of that. There's no doubt about it.

I'm not saying Karanka was faultless but he did a bl00dy good job for two years and was flogging a dead horse in his last season.
 
Look at the list of arrivals in that season. If you need me to go through and break it down and explain why each player wasn't good enough then we may as well end the conversation now. The only ones that were Premier League quality were Negredo, Valdes and potentially De Roon. Traore was nowhere near ready at that point.

Ramirez obviously downed tools. The rest of those players are not Premier League quality. Most of them aren't even Championship quality. The defenders we signed were garbage.

Im not under any assumption that thats all Karanka had to do to get players. But the bottom line is those players were not good enough to survive even if you had had Guardiola at the helm. Whoever made those signings should got the boot. Maybe it was Karanka however he made strong suggestions that a lot of these signings were done without his blessing.

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Not only werent they good enough they were all fighting amongst themselves in the dressing room. Definitely two camps 'the Spanish Lads' and the rest.
 
I never said he wasn't backed or we didn't try. But the players we ended up signing weren't good enough. Our recruitment failed. Orta was a big part of that. There's no doubt about it.

I'm not saying Karanka was faultless but he did a bl00dy good job for two years and was flogging a dead horse in his last season.
We got the playerd we could afford who would come. Its a managers job to make those players into an effective team. Im pretty sure this situation isnt unique to MFC. He wasnt badly let down, he just wasnt good enough - again, as proven at a succssion of clubs. We werent a blip in his career
 
I love it that someone has pointed out that we averaged 0.81 points per game under him as a reason not to get rid of him.

He was clueless in the top flight, played players in wrong positions and surrendered before most games kicked off.
 
We got the playerd we could afford who would come. Its a managers job to make those players into an effective team. Im pretty sure this situation isnt unique to MFC. He wasnt badly let down, he just wasnt good enough - again, as proven at a succssion of clubs. We werent a blip in his career
I think Karanka was getting the best out of that team in the first half of the season or close to. He set us up to be hard to beat and try and nick wins. Things obviously got worse in January when Ramirez let us down. We just didn't have anyone else in the squad who could replace him and give us that counter attacking outlet.

The fans were frustrated because he wasn't playing expansive football. We sacked him, appointed Agnew who tried to then play more expansive football. Things got worse. We didn't have the players to play that style of football.

Anyway, pointless going round in circles.
 
I love it that someone has pointed out that we averaged 0.81 points per game under him as a reason not to get rid of him.

He was clueless in the top flight, played players in wrong positions and surrendered before most games kicked off.
Burnley kept Dyche with a lower PPG when they were relegated the season prior and that turned out pretty well for them.

I used that stat to show that we actually got worse when we sacked him. Which is true.

But I guess you fall into that fickle section of fans who can't see past what they are seeing on the pitch that very day. Like I said in an earlier post, even if relegation was inevitable, Karanka was our best chance of bouncing back quickly.
 
Of course we got worse. That points average that Karanka picked up was no longer enough as we were slipping further into trouble so we had to try and win games. And we didn't have the players to play more attacking football but as each game went by we had to go for it more. Whilst Agnew wasn't the right person for the job - he get's a lot of unfair stick because he was put into a situation where he had to open up and try to win games instead of hoping for a draw. The team weren't set-up for that due to the earlier recruitment and Karanka's style of football.
 
People on here are just focusing on Karanka's last 8 months at the Boro it was there 40 months and took us from 20th in the Championship to 18th in the Premier League. The squad he left was far better than the one he inherited. The football was not pretty most of the time, but in the Championship we were very hard to beat. This season a AK team probably would have ground us through the play offs. Home defeats over his first 2.5 years I could counted on one hand.

I am 100% sure Rhodes was bought for AK, with hindsight you could see he destablised AK and he walked out a month later. AK was a bit of a control freak, but with it came someone who was completely focused on his job, if anything too focused.
 
Burnley kept Dyche with a lower PPG when they were relegated the season prior and that turned out pretty well for them.

I used that stat to show that we actually got worse when we sacked him. Which is true.

But I guess you fall into that fickle section of fans who can't see past what they are seeing on the pitch that very day. Like I said in an earlier post, even if relegation was inevitable, Karanka was our best chance of bouncing back quickly.
No, I was one of that section who thought he should have gone the previous summer, despite the promotion.
 
He'd lost the plot and had to miss a game towards the end of the previous season. He wasn't in the right frame of mind to take us into the next season and it was obvious as soon as it kicked off

We've had 10 managers over the 13 seasons we've spent in the Championship since 2009. One of them has succeeded in getting us promoted. And you think we should have sacked him immediately after doing so? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

Yes there was problems at the club, clearly the dynamics weren't right. But rather than sacking the manager that had succeeded in what he set out to do, maybe we should have addressed the real problems. The problems didn't go away after we sacked Karanka by the way, further restructuring was required over the coming years.

Carrick still has a long way to go to emulate what Karanka did and I really hope fans don't turn on him as quickly as they turned on Karanka if he does ever manage to get us promoted.
 
We've had 10 managers over the 13 seasons we've spent in the Championship since 2009. One of them has succeeded in getting us promoted. And you think we should have sacked him immediately after doing so? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds?

Yes there was problems at the club, clearly things the dynamics aren't right. But rather than sacking the manager that had succeeded in what he set out to do, maybe we should have addressed the real problems. The problems didn't go away after we sacked Karanka by the way, further restructuring was required over the coming years.

Carrick still has a long way to go to emulate what Karanka did and I really hope fans don't turn on him as quickly as they turned on Karanka if he does ever manage to get us promoted.
It was obvious after a few games in the top flight that he was out of his depth.

How many clubs has he had since being here?
 
It was obvious after a few games in the top flight that he was out of his depth.

How many clubs has he had since being here?
Even if that's your opinion, which I believe to be wrong, you've said above you think he should have been sacked before even being given that chance. That is just utterly ridiculous.

Like I've said further up the thread, I don't think he had the players to succeed. You could have put any manager in the world in his position and they'd have struggled. The problems went far deeper than Karanka. Bringing in players he didn't want (Rhodes, Downing as well as whoever else). Bringing in the "development players'. Our whole recruitment strategy was just wrong and that was Orta's job, not Karanka's.

I can see where the frustration came from with Karanka. He was a young manager in his first job. He needed support not to be isolated. He certainly didn't need idiots in the home end giving him a hard time 3 months after singing his name because we didn't get off to a flying start in the Premier League.
 
Even if that's your opinion, which I believe to be wrong, you've said above you think he should have been sacked before even being given that chance. That is just utterly ridiculous.

Like I've said further up the thread, I don't think he had the players to succeed. You could have put any manager in the world in his position and they'd have struggled. The problems went far deeper than Karanka. Bringing in players he didn't want (Rhodes, Downing as well as whoever else). Bringing in the "development players'. Our whole recruitment strategy was just wrong and that was Orta's job, not Karanka's.

I can see where the frustration came from with Karanka. He was a young manager in his first job. He needed support not to be isolated. He certainly didn't need idiots in the home end giving him a hard time 3 months after singing his name because we didn't get off to a flying start in the Premier League.
Did he get that, I can't remember hearing him barracked by Boro fans?

If he didn't want the players responsible for getting us promoted who did he want?

Were we promoted despite him because someone in the backroom made decent signings?

He picked up Mowbray's side and turned things around, as Mowbray had with Strachan's team. Both managers made decent signings (or maybe someone else did and they picked up the plaudits).

I thought Mowbray had taken us as far as he could but he's achieved things elsewhere and left us with a half decent squad. Has Karanka done that anywhere?
 
Did he get that, I can't remember hearing him barracked by Boro fans?

If he didn't want the players responsible for getting us promoted who did he want?

Were we promoted despite him because someone in the backroom made decent signings?

He picked up Mowbray's side and turned things around, as Mowbray had with Strachan's team. Both managers made decent signings (or maybe someone else did and they picked up the plaudits).

I thought Mowbray had taken us as far as he could but he's achieved things elsewhere and left us with a half decent squad. Has Karanka done that anywhere?
I'm not really bothered what Karanka has done elsewhere to be honest. Unless you are watching that team regularly, it's hard to form an opinion. Which none of Karanka's teams I have. I do know he managed Birmingham during a difficult time.

Karanka converted Mowbray's team instantly when he came in. Not too dissimilar to the way Carrick has with Wilder's team. He then improved year on year over the next two seasons to get us promoted. Whether they were Karanka's signings or not, we got the right players in to get us promoted and Karanka got them playing a systen that worked.

We missed out narrowly through the play-offs In year one. Karanka identified that we had conceded too many playing they way we were and shored us up by playing with two deep midfielders. It worked, we conceded far less and made it through the automatic positions with 90 points. Impressive. (Carrick could probably do with doing something similar, we conceded far too many even after Carrick was appointed to gain automatic promotion).

Again, I don't know which signings were "Karanka signings" after we were promoted but it felt like he was not involved in the recruitment from his interviews. But whoever did make the signings made a balls up.
 
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