Act now or fan violence will get out of hand, warns football police chief

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Another article about the increase in disorder at matches.​

Personally I think it's a reflection of current society rather than something just happening at grounds. The use of Cocaine & quality of stewards are good points raised. As are concerns about the potential reintroduction of drinking alcohol in viewing areas. lots t think about and consider.


Cut & paste version below for anyone who can't access the link.

Act now or fan violence will get out of hand, warns football police chief​

Football police chief Mark Roberts talks to Matt Lawton about the worrying increase in disorder this season​


Matt Lawton, Chief Sports Correspondent
Monday January 31 2022, 12.01am, The Times
Football

The disorder at Wembley was alarming, as many fans managed to storm in to the European Championships final
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...of-hand-warns-football-police-chief-qmvnk3rqj
Mark Roberts has been the head of football policing in this country for eight years but he also attends matches as a season-ticket holder. “I go with family, meet friends and have a pint on the concourse,” he says.

It is because of that broad experience, watching football for decades and not only working as a police officer — as the chief constable of Cheshire and the football policing lead for the National Police Chiefs’ Council — that he can apply real context to a situation that causes him great concern.

This month, the police released data that revealed an alarming rise in disorder at English football matches, and Roberts says the police and the football authorities need to join forces now before we see a return to the darkest days of the 1970s and 1980s. “We are not back where we were but we are heading that way,” he tells The Times.

The statistics, issued by the UK Football Policing Unit (UKFPU), make for grim reading. There has been a 36 per cent rise in disorder in the first half of this season compared to the same period in the 2019-20 campaign. There has been a 47 per cent increase in the number of arrests, from 547 to 802.

The UKFPU said there had been 759 reported incidents of disorder, with cocaine use becoming a big concern. The police are working with a team of academics to gather more evidence on the link between football violence and abuse of the Class A drug.

On Friday, Roberts had positive talks with the Premier League, agreeing to take a more collaborative approach, but this issue is far from exclusive to the top flight. The UKFPU found that the biggest increase in reported incidents has been in the Championship and National League, which had rises of 58 and 56 per cent respectively.

There have been some high-profile incidents, including the missiles that were thrown at Chelsea’s Antonio Rüdiger and Aston Villa’s Lucas Digne and Matty Cash. The weekend was marred by further disorder. Flares were thrown at Millwall, while at Crewe Alexandra, the assistant referee, Paul Stonier, left the pitch complaining of dizziness after being struck by an object thrown from the stand occupied by Rotherham United fans.

At Wycombe Wanderers’ League One game with MK Dons, Adebayo Akinfenwa was subjected to vile abuse as he warmed up in front of the visiting fans. It was so serious that Wycombe’s manager, Gareth Ainsworth, complained to the referee. At Oldham Athletic on Saturday, a female supporter was the target of disgusting, sexist chants from Rochdale fans.

Violence is not confined to football, Roberts warns, as there has been an increase in anti-social behaviour across the country

Roberts says there is a broader societal problem here. Cocaine use is widespread, while he also thinks that the pandemic is a further factor, not least among younger males who represent a group in which there has also been a significant rise in incidents.

“We are seeing the same thing in the night-time economy,” Roberts says. “People who have turned 18 during Covid are now going out again and some of them don’t really know how to behave. We are definitely seeing new, younger groups engaged in disorder.”

Roberts accepts that what happens in football is often an extension of wider issues. “Football does follow society, and post-lockdown we have seen an increase in anti-social behaviour,” he says. “A lot of violence. It’s not confined to football. Assaults are up across the country, and it leads into football.

“For some strange reason we also seem to see an increase in disorder at football after major international tournaments. Statistically we know it happens but we don’t understand why.”

Cocaine is a problem. The Baroness Casey review into the trouble that marred the Euro 2020 final cited drug use among violent thugs, and Roberts says it is an area that the police and football authorities are now targeting. Indeed, Roberts would like to see cocaine use lead to the issuing of football banning orders.

“Increasingly we are seeing cocaine as a problem,” he says. “It’s an extension of what we are seeing across society. We know when we target licensed premises and conduct drug-swab tests in toilets and other likely places, we are always finding evidence.

“Often people involved in violent offences, when we test them, have used cocaine. We’ve known for quite a while that a lot of hooligan groups use cocaine. We went into a football ground and swabbed all the toilet surfaces and 100 per cent of the cubicles had cocaine traces. We are now conducting a bigger exercise to validate that. It will help to have an academic study to support what we are saying.”

The Casey review considered the impact of alcohol and drugs on behaviour at football

Roberts says the Casey review was a valuable exercise. “I thought it was good. She talks about the impact of alcohol and drugs. I was at the final. I wasn’t in the command role. I just went there to see it.

“The difficulty for the police was that there were also lots of well-behaved fans trying to make their way through the crowd that had gathered in that plaza area at Wembley. To deal with that type of crowd, you would have had to use mounted police, dogs and officers in full riot gear. Frankly I think some forces in Europe would have just done it. But when there are decent fans among them, that’s not something we would typically do.”

Roberts is engaging with the EFL and the FA as well. He says they have to join forces. “What people perhaps don’t realise is what a football incident actually means,” he says. “Take the recent game between Crystal Palace and Brighton. It counts as one but there were actually 25 separate incidents, which included assaults on stewards, missile throwing, pyrotechnics. And none of these statistics include the British Transport Police, who have got real concerns and are arranging their own meetings with the football authorities because of the disorder and violence that rail staff are having to face.

“We all need to work together. We are not going to arrest our way out of it. We did well, dealing with these issues in the past. Then it required the government, football authorities, clubs, fans and police to work together. We need another joint effort here. I would like to see an information sharing agreement between the police and football authorities, so that policing can be more effective and intelligence led. We need the fans’ groups to recognise there is an issue, because our objective is to make it safe and enjoyable for the nice fans.

“We don’t want good fans, fans who go with families, being intimidated by fans fuelled by cocaine and alcohol.”

In recent months a safe-standing pilot has been launched at some grounds, while the fan-led review of Tracey Crouch MP included a proposal for the ban on fans drinking alcohol at their seats to be lifted. Roberts has already expressed his concerns about alcohol but he insists he is not against the safe-standing areas.


“No matter how many times I say I’m not, it’s reported that I’m against safe-standing,” he says. “I’m not. We can do it. But what I’ve always said is we need to be careful about the implementation because it does bring some threats.

“I believe the [trial] at Old Trafford is going fantastically well. But if you have people tailgating and they go into a standing area, it is easier for them to overload. People get pushed out the way, bullied. It happens. What I’m saying is you need proper stewarding, perhaps wristbands to get in the area, more effective monitoring, better CCTV. Otherwise it will be an area that does not attract a more diverse crowd. And when you get an exclusionary crowd behaviour tends to deteriorate.”

Football’s governing bodies are looking at stewarding, with improved training that could include teaching stewards how to gather evidence of violence and anti-social behaviour. Roberts has his misgivings, however.

“The Premier League is supposed to be doing a new training package,” he says. “But right now there is a shortage of decent stewards. If it’s the same or better money for, say, working at a Covid testing site you are going to prefer that to standing on the front line at a football match. People have drifted away from the industry and I don’t blame them. It can be a pretty hostile environment.

“Some fans can get where water doesn’t. In some cases you almost have to admire their efforts to get into a stadium. I’ve seen them fake medical emergencies. They can go from a ruse to charm to intimidation in the space of a minute. If you’re a university student working as a steward for some extra cash, that’s a difficult situation.

“Ultimately we want a safe game. I just want it to be safe for everyone. I don’t want to see it go backwards.”
 
Needs nipping in the bud.
Cocaine use is rife in society.
Stewards get peanuts and are undertrained
No drinking in stands please. No issue with the actual drinking it’s just that some nugget has to throw a pint in the air when we score. Happened in the south stand on saturday
 
I'm not sure how you stop people using cocaine. The war on drugs has been going for years and it's easier than ever to get. You can get it amazon style next day delivery online.

I was out on Friday and the toilets were full. The later it gets the less f"cks given as folk were doing it at urinals. My missus said the ladies was as bad.

I guess you could get sniffer dogs and better searching. Yet its hardly practical and espensive. I mean how many people get into grounds weekly with flares? So a little bag you've no chance.

Football trouble is clearly one the rise. I'm not sure if it's a post covid thing after being restricted for so long. You see people at 'peaceful' protests fighting (probably also coke and drink). It's not just a football 'thing'.
 

Another article about the increase in disorder at matches.​

Personally I think it's a reflection of current society rather than something just happening at grounds. The use of Cocaine & quality of stewards are good points raised. As are concerns about the potential reintroduction of drinking alcohol in viewing areas. lots t think about and consider.


Cut & paste version below for anyone who can't access the link.

Act now or fan violence will get out of hand, warns football police chief​

Football police chief Mark Roberts talks to Matt Lawton about the worrying increase in disorder this season​


Matt Lawton, Chief Sports Correspondent
Monday January 31 2022, 12.01am, The Times
Football

The disorder at Wembley was alarming, as many fans managed to storm in to the European Championships final
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...of-hand-warns-football-police-chief-qmvnk3rqj
Mark Roberts has been the head of football policing in this country for eight years but he also attends matches as a season-ticket holder. “I go with family, meet friends and have a pint on the concourse,” he says.

It is because of that broad experience, watching football for decades and not only working as a police officer — as the chief constable of Cheshire and the football policing lead for the National Police Chiefs’ Council — that he can apply real context to a situation that causes him great concern.

This month, the police released data that revealed an alarming rise in disorder at English football matches, and Roberts says the police and the football authorities need to join forces now before we see a return to the darkest days of the 1970s and 1980s. “We are not back where we were but we are heading that way,” he tells The Times.

The statistics, issued by the UK Football Policing Unit (UKFPU), make for grim reading. There has been a 36 per cent rise in disorder in the first half of this season compared to the same period in the 2019-20 campaign. There has been a 47 per cent increase in the number of arrests, from 547 to 802.

The UKFPU said there had been 759 reported incidents of disorder, with cocaine use becoming a big concern. The police are working with a team of academics to gather more evidence on the link between football violence and abuse of the Class A drug.

On Friday, Roberts had positive talks with the Premier League, agreeing to take a more collaborative approach, but this issue is far from exclusive to the top flight. The UKFPU found that the biggest increase in reported incidents has been in the Championship and National League, which had rises of 58 and 56 per cent respectively.

There have been some high-profile incidents, including the missiles that were thrown at Chelsea’s Antonio Rüdiger and Aston Villa’s Lucas Digne and Matty Cash. The weekend was marred by further disorder. Flares were thrown at Millwall, while at Crewe Alexandra, the assistant referee, Paul Stonier, left the pitch complaining of dizziness after being struck by an object thrown from the stand occupied by Rotherham United fans.

At Wycombe Wanderers’ League One game with MK Dons, Adebayo Akinfenwa was subjected to vile abuse as he warmed up in front of the visiting fans. It was so serious that Wycombe’s manager, Gareth Ainsworth, complained to the referee. At Oldham Athletic on Saturday, a female supporter was the target of disgusting, sexist chants from Rochdale fans.

Violence is not confined to football, Roberts warns, as there has been an increase in anti-social behaviour across the country

Roberts says there is a broader societal problem here. Cocaine use is widespread, while he also thinks that the pandemic is a further factor, not least among younger males who represent a group in which there has also been a significant rise in incidents.

“We are seeing the same thing in the night-time economy,” Roberts says. “People who have turned 18 during Covid are now going out again and some of them don’t really know how to behave. We are definitely seeing new, younger groups engaged in disorder.”

Roberts accepts that what happens in football is often an extension of wider issues. “Football does follow society, and post-lockdown we have seen an increase in anti-social behaviour,” he says. “A lot of violence. It’s not confined to football. Assaults are up across the country, and it leads into football.

“For some strange reason we also seem to see an increase in disorder at football after major international tournaments. Statistically we know it happens but we don’t understand why.”

Cocaine is a problem. The Baroness Casey review into the trouble that marred the Euro 2020 final cited drug use among violent thugs, and Roberts says it is an area that the police and football authorities are now targeting. Indeed, Roberts would like to see cocaine use lead to the issuing of football banning orders.

“Increasingly we are seeing cocaine as a problem,” he says. “It’s an extension of what we are seeing across society. We know when we target licensed premises and conduct drug-swab tests in toilets and other likely places, we are always finding evidence.

“Often people involved in violent offences, when we test them, have used cocaine. We’ve known for quite a while that a lot of hooligan groups use cocaine. We went into a football ground and swabbed all the toilet surfaces and 100 per cent of the cubicles had cocaine traces. We are now conducting a bigger exercise to validate that. It will help to have an academic study to support what we are saying.”

The Casey review considered the impact of alcohol and drugs on behaviour at football

Roberts says the Casey review was a valuable exercise. “I thought it was good. She talks about the impact of alcohol and drugs. I was at the final. I wasn’t in the command role. I just went there to see it.

“The difficulty for the police was that there were also lots of well-behaved fans trying to make their way through the crowd that had gathered in that plaza area at Wembley. To deal with that type of crowd, you would have had to use mounted police, dogs and officers in full riot gear. Frankly I think some forces in Europe would have just done it. But when there are decent fans among them, that’s not something we would typically do.”

Roberts is engaging with the EFL and the FA as well. He says they have to join forces. “What people perhaps don’t realise is what a football incident actually means,” he says. “Take the recent game between Crystal Palace and Brighton. It counts as one but there were actually 25 separate incidents, which included assaults on stewards, missile throwing, pyrotechnics. And none of these statistics include the British Transport Police, who have got real concerns and are arranging their own meetings with the football authorities because of the disorder and violence that rail staff are having to face.

“We all need to work together. We are not going to arrest our way out of it. We did well, dealing with these issues in the past. Then it required the government, football authorities, clubs, fans and police to work together. We need another joint effort here. I would like to see an information sharing agreement between the police and football authorities, so that policing can be more effective and intelligence led. We need the fans’ groups to recognise there is an issue, because our objective is to make it safe and enjoyable for the nice fans.

“We don’t want good fans, fans who go with families, being intimidated by fans fuelled by cocaine and alcohol.”

In recent months a safe-standing pilot has been launched at some grounds, while the fan-led review of Tracey Crouch MP included a proposal for the ban on fans drinking alcohol at their seats to be lifted. Roberts has already expressed his concerns about alcohol but he insists he is not against the safe-standing areas.


“No matter how many times I say I’m not, it’s reported that I’m against safe-standing,” he says. “I’m not. We can do it. But what I’ve always said is we need to be careful about the implementation because it does bring some threats.

“I believe the [trial] at Old Trafford is going fantastically well. But if you have people tailgating and they go into a standing area, it is easier for them to overload. People get pushed out the way, bullied. It happens. What I’m saying is you need proper stewarding, perhaps wristbands to get in the area, more effective monitoring, better CCTV. Otherwise it will be an area that does not attract a more diverse crowd. And when you get an exclusionary crowd behaviour tends to deteriorate.”

Football’s governing bodies are looking at stewarding, with improved training that could include teaching stewards how to gather evidence of violence and anti-social behaviour. Roberts has his misgivings, however.

“The Premier League is supposed to be doing a new training package,” he says. “But right now there is a shortage of decent stewards. If it’s the same or better money for, say, working at a Covid testing site you are going to prefer that to standing on the front line at a football match. People have drifted away from the industry and I don’t blame them. It can be a pretty hostile environment.

“Some fans can get where water doesn’t. In some cases you almost have to admire their efforts to get into a stadium. I’ve seen them fake medical emergencies. They can go from a ruse to charm to intimidation in the space of a minute. If you’re a university student working as a steward for some extra cash, that’s a difficult situation.

“Ultimately we want a safe game. I just want it to be safe for everyone. I don’t want to see it go backwards.”
This man has an agenda - as I have mentioned before - he wants increased police powers at football. He wants increased police powers in general and his own name up in lights. He has been waiting for this opportunity to pounce.
We have been discussing these issues for a little while at the FSA and of course at Boro and on this board but because of Mark Roberts we have to be really careful about how we talk about it. I expect the football authorities are also wary of him and his agendas. He is in the news, on tv, in the papers every week.
Think back to Stoke City. The entire away section held back for 30 minutes, without communication, there was pepper spraying of fans, there was intimidation of all fans when we were forced to walk in single file between lines of police with cameras whirring etc like we were all criminals.
Surely as fans the last thing we want is for is police to have more powers that can be abused against us all to weed out the hooligans. We need to work together on this not have this guy trying to criminalise us all.
 
This man has an agenda - as I have mentioned before - he wants increased police powers at football. He wants increased police powers in general and his own name up in lights. He has been waiting for this opportunity to pounce.
We have been discussing these issues for a little while at the FSA and of course at Boro and on this board but because of Mark Roberts we have to be really careful about how we talk about it. I expect the football authorities are also wary of him and his agendas. He is in the news, on tv, in the papers every week.
Think back to Stoke City. The entire away section held back for 30 minutes, without communication, there was pepper spraying of fans, there was intimidation of all fans when we were forced to walk in single file between lines of police with cameras whirring etc like we were all criminals.
Surely as fans the last thing we want is for is police to have more powers that can be abused against us all to weed out the hooligans. We need to work together on this not have this guy trying to criminalise us all.
The blame for us being treat like that is with the minority of scumbags who follow this club, not the police. If incidents like what we keep seeing happen at football then things are only going to get worse for the average fan
 
It's not being helped by the threat of removal of peaceful protest.

The British and American psyche is being fuelled by right-wing extremists who think its OK to storm government buildings and form vigilante guards around statues of Empiral rulers/slavers etc.

The left wing tend to be associated with Extinct Rebeliion and ANTIFA disruption to the middle class way of life.

Football has been affected by this polarisation.

The war on drugs compounds the issue by pigeon-holing nasty **** like coke with historically social-friendly drugs like cannabis and ecstacy.

What chance is there to get people to act responsibly when Cresenda D!cks and Boris Johnson do as they please when the rest of us are unfairly and unevenly prosecuted?
 
This man has an agenda - as I have mentioned before - he wants increased police powers at football. He wants increased police powers in general and his own name up in lights. He has been waiting for this opportunity to pounce.
We have been discussing these issues for a little while at the FSA and of course at Boro and on this board but because of Mark Roberts we have to be really careful about how we talk about it. I expect the football authorities are also wary of him and his agendas. He is in the news, on tv, in the papers every week.
Think back to Stoke City. The entire away section held back for 30 minutes, without communication, there was pepper spraying of fans, there was intimidation of all fans when we were forced to walk in single file between lines of police with cameras whirring etc like we were all criminals.
Surely as fans the last thing we want is for is police to have more powers that can be abused against us all to weed out the hooligans. We need to work together on this not have this guy trying to criminalise us all.
You can hardly blame him for what happened at stoke.

He is spot on about not allowing drinking of alcohol in the stands.

He is spot on about stewards.

If the police having more powers stops people carrying on the way they are now - think back to the uproar about the behaviour of Boro supporters taking Coke and groping female fans - then perhaps he should be listened to a bit more?

Until the elected powers somehow manage to sort the societal issues from which the behaviours at football stadiums stems from then we need some sort of control inside and around stadia because there's lots of evidence to show that behaviours are getting worse and all the talking at FSA towers isn't doing much to improve things. I'd imagine the Coventry fan who got clattered on Saturday by Boro fans wished there'd by more police about.
 
The amount of people that you see at football who are clearly under the influence of drink and/or drugs does seem to be increasing, it seems more noticeable at away games. I have had the unfortunate experience of having people next to me struggling to stand on more than one occasion, leaning on me from time to time and if you say anything then you just get double the grief from them and their mates. So much so I do not go to away games as often now, although covid has been a factor in my decision too.

It isn’t just at games either, it is on the trains too and from away games. A few intoxicated morons overly rowdy, regularly swearing in front of kids and families, lewd comments to young women, some journeys back to York are incredibly painful to endure (for me anyway), never mind other non football related passengers caught up on the wrong train.

I have no problem with heavy handed policing if its targeted appropriately and fairly, but Stoke tells us it isn’t, it is unjustly meted out in practice. Sadly the few cause the majority to suffer it too. Some of our fans are an embarrassment at best and should be ashamed, but we are no different to any other club in that respect. That poor Coventry supporter attacked on Saturday could be any one of us leaving a match elsewhere another day if it isn’t clamped down on. We all have a duty of care to each other as well as ourselves, but a minority of folk are too selfish and think they can do and behave as they please. I’d far sooner have stricter rules if it kept us all safer and idiot free, but a few people see it as their right to be able to spoil things for others so long as they are getting their personal brand of enjoyment.
 
Spoke to two young Coventry fans on Saturday after the game, both had got a smack in the faces leaving the ground for their troubles.
The perpetrators just legged it.
Despicable
 
The blame for us being treat like that is with the minority of scumbags who follow this club, not the police. If incidents like what we keep seeing happen at football then things are only going to get worse for the average fan
How naive. I've been at matches home and abroad and on peaceful demonstrations too where the police cause problems through abuse of power.
 
How naive. I've been at matches home and abroad and on peaceful demonstrations too where the police cause problems through abuse of power.
Yes that is absolutely the case too and I have seen the same thing many times, but the reason we are seeing an increase in police around our games is because a minority of idiots cant behave, if this wasnt the case I doubt we would be having this discussion
 
Yes that is absolutely the case too and I have seen the same thing many times, but the reason we are seeing an increase in police around our games is because a minority of idiots cant behave, if this wasnt the case I doubt we would be having this discussion
Are we seeing an increase?
I see lots of prefects but not many police at all these days?

Pre match in the Westy a visit was guaranteed. Pre match in the Navi no sign. I don't know about other boozers.
 
Very interesting and balanced perspective that from someone’s who’s obviously an expert in their field, and doesn’t sugarcoat it. Very honest.

(1) Far too much charlie

(2) A bit of post-lockdown madness happening, people a bit overwhelmed to be out and about

(3) I hate to say it, and I know it’s the most thankless, badly paid and unsupported job in the world, but the stewards could be doing a lot more. It’s on the clubs to pay and train them better, and I understand de-escalation and watch and wait is probably the best way to deal with it all. But, it’s so obvious where the trouble is coming from, and it can be stopped, and your purpose is to stop crowd disorder from happening. The Euro’s final was sickening, and to see so many stewards turn the other way was quite shocking, I don’t want my family to ever be at a football match in a situation like that, when people in hi vis are being paid to protect them from that. Big structural changes needed with that, but also, sorry but do your jobs better.
 
We see far less police in grounds and around them because no one can afford to foot the bill.
But clubs have not stepped in to replace the policing.
There is a crisis in stewarding. Many clubs are struggling to recruit quantity and quality. I have also heard it said that stewarding certificates need overhauling and training improved.
Incidents are rising throughout football aren't they. The Supporters Forum have joined with the club in looking at a few avenues that might offer some kinds of solutions. Looking at other clubs actions etc. It is early days with this. But obviously we have asked for Boro stewards to some away clubs to observe and help out in areas like stopping male fans going in the women's toilets (and possibly dealing). Unfortunately the home club can say no to this. Recently they did say no at two clubs we visited.
By and large it is a buoyant atmosphere at present being a Boro fan but for me we have to distance ourselves from these guys that get wrecked and want to cause trouble. It is important that all those that sit on the edge of the South Stand to goad away fans do not feel they are part of the Boro herd. And those that attack away fans outside the ground are not heroes but zeros. Cowards the lot of them.
 
Very interesting and balanced perspective that from someone’s who’s obviously an expert in their field, and doesn’t sugarcoat it. Very honest.

(1) Far too much charlie

(2) A bit of post-lockdown madness happening, people a bit overwhelmed to be out and about

(3) I hate to say it, and I know it’s the most thankless, badly paid and unsupported job in the world, but the stewards could be doing a lot more. It’s on the clubs to pay and train them better, and I understand de-escalation and watch and wait is probably the best way to deal with it all. But, it’s so obvious where the trouble is coming from, and it can be stopped, and your purpose is to stop crowd disorder from happening. The Euro’s final was sickening, and to see so many stewards turn the other way was quite shocking, I don’t want my family to ever be at a football match in a situation like that, when people in hi vis are being paid to protect them from that. Big structural changes needed with that, but also, sorry but do your jobs better.
You are right in what you are saying Jonny but would you want to be a steward at football ground and put up with the grief they receive from a small minority of fans.

The picture I posted the other week after the bottle throwing incident at Goodison Park spoke volumes for me. Two players were hit with a bottle and I would argue the majority in the picture cheered or laughed at it. These weren't young lads high on coke but people from all ages and walks of life who were happy to see it happen because the opposing player had the audacity to score against them. For some reason, rational people's attitudes change when at a football match.
 
We see far less police in grounds and around them because no one can afford to foot the bill.
But clubs have not stepped in to replace the policing.
There is a crisis in stewarding. Many clubs are struggling to recruit quantity and quality. I have also heard it said that stewarding certificates need overhauling and training improved.
Incidents are rising throughout football aren't they. The Supporters Forum have joined with the club in looking at a few avenues that might offer some kinds of solutions. Looking at other clubs actions etc. It is early days with this. But obviously we have asked for Boro stewards to some away clubs to observe and help out in areas like stopping male fans going in the women's toilets (and possibly dealing). Unfortunately the home club can say no to this. Recently they did say no at two clubs we visited.
By and large it is a buoyant atmosphere at present being a Boro fan but for me we have to distance ourselves from these guys that get wrecked and want to cause trouble. It is important that all those that sit on the edge of the South Stand to goad away fans do not feel they are part of the Boro herd. And those that attack away fans outside the ground are not heroes but zeros. Cowards the lot of them.
Why do the club stewards not challenge those idiots who sit in the South stand and goad away fans? They should just be thrown out.

There was plenty of comments from Coventry fans in their message boards about this specifically over the weekend.

What part does Stewarding play in the granting of certification for matches to actually take place?
 
You are right in what you are saying Jonny but would you want to be a steward at football ground and put up with the grief they receive from a small minority of fans.

The picture I posted the other week after the bottle throwing incident at Goodison Park spoke volumes for me. Two players were hit with a bottle and I would argue the majority in the picture cheered or laughed at it. These weren't young lads high on coke but people from all ages and walks of life who were happy to see it happen because the opposing player had the audacity to score against them. For some reason, rational people's attitudes change when at a football match.
No, I wouldn’t do it in a million years and I have proper sympathy with the people who do. It’s thankless and massively underpaid and under-supported, there should be more police who are trained for this stuff at hand to help them.

At the same time though, if you take the job - and yeah, you’re only getting paid £40 or whatever - but there’s a duty of care. Again going back to the Euro’s final, it was shocking to me to see so many stewards taking a little bribe for a squeeze. I totally understand it and I wouldn’t risk my safety if I was doing that job. But then, why do the job in the first place, there’s got to be a touch of professional pride. It made me angry, and still does, when I see stewards just standing there when all hell breaks loose in the stands.

It’s on the clubs and the police to sort, 100%.
 
The pondlife on the edge of the segregated area who's only interest is goading away fans need ejecting.
The Club need to take responsibility for this. Either pay for more coppers inside the ground in that area, or ensure the Stewards are trained and ordered to eject them and issue stadium bans.
Either way deal with it now before the rag bag of scrotes gets bigger and nastier.
 
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