A step forward?

I agree that nhs staff should be done first. It will be beneficial to see what percentage of the population has already been infected and may help with studies of long term immunity. A sort of half way house to an eventual vaccine.
 
WindyNook said:
I agree that nhs staff should be done first. It will be beneficial to see what percentage of the population has already been infected and may help with studies of long term immunity. A sort of half way house to an eventual vaccine.
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I hope they do that in parallel as otherwise we are losing out on getting the right learning.

The ONS put out a statement about deaths in certain professions a few days ago and that medical professionals were at no greater risk than the general population. On second thoughts that isn't right. Medical professionals are working age and those dying generally not. So the risk to them must be much higher for their age. That suggests is very prevalent in hospitals and the data is no use to understand what's happening in the population as a whole.
 
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It's a blood test so you'll need to go to the doctors etc.

WHO and UK Gov now thinking you can get Covid twice so it's not the game changer the Gov thought is would be back in March.

But it is good news and the info from the tests will be valuable for the scientists etc.
 
bear66 said:
I hope they do that in parallel as otherwise we are losing out on getting the right learning.

The ONS put out a statement about deaths in certain professions a few days ago and that medical professionals were at no greater risk than the general population. On second thoughts that isn't right. Medical professionals are working age and those dying generally not. So the risk to them must be much higher for their age. That suggests is very prevalent in hospitals and the data is no use to understand what's happening in the population as a whole.
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I saw that. I think the data they used was pretty poor. It was collected from news reports etc. It said 1 in 200 deaths were healthcare workers which isn't an overrepresentation of the population but like you say it isn't adjusted for age.
 
KingOfTheTribes said:
It's a blood test so you'll need to go to the doctors etc.

WHO and UK Gov now thinking you can get Covid twice so it's not the game changer the Gov thought is would be back in March.

But it is good news and the info from the tests will be valuable for the scientists etc.
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Like you can catch a cold more than once on your life? Same as the flu?

The more the days pass the more it becomes apparent some things don't add up.

Also learnt today the science that this 2 meter social distance crap is based on hasn't even been peer reviewed yet.
 
RandySavage said:
Like you can catch a cold more than once on your life? Same as the flu?

The more the days pass the more it becomes apparent some things don't add up.

Also learnt today the science that this 2 meter social distance crap is based on hasn't even been peer reviewed yet.
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There's no doubt a lot of standard things that you do with an infectious disease Randy and once you learn more about it then you can begin to tailor them. 2m sounds like a good starting point to me based on how far a sneeze or a cough can potentially distribute a virus load.
It's not so much things not adding up, it's more a case of we're starting from zero in terms of knowledge on this specific virus.
Take the notion that it seems to not affect kids and yet, we're now getting reports of this Kawasaki-like inflammatory symptom increasingly showing up. Is that just because more kids have been getting Coronavirus or is it an underlying condition that is being revealed.
Everyday is a school day as they say and no doubt in a year from now, if we are still living with the Coronavirus on a daily basis we'll be much better informed.
 
Loads of different scientists, "experts", politicians all saying lots of different things so who we believe?
 
RandySavage said:
Loads of different scientists, "experts", politicians all saying lots of different things so who we believe?
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You don't have to believe any of them, but part of civil society is about following the rules, be they motorway speed limits or guidelines about social distancing. If you breach those rules or guidelines then you can expect consequences.
As far as a contagious virus outbreak goes, I'd say erring on the side of caution is not a bad or improper place to start. If we were in a supermarket together and you decided that 2m between us wasn't necessary then I and many others might have an issue with that.
 
I haven't been to a supermarket in weeks. If I can't see my parents then I'm not going to visit a supermarket either.

Although I've asked my parents to put the house up for sale if they want a visit from the grandkids as viewing other people's houses seems to be ok now.
 
Good man (y)
I'll freely admit I'm on the overly cautious side of the seesaw right now, but once our knowledge expands then I'm more than happy to see that seesaw reach a point of balance between health safety and a working economy.
 
RandySavage said:
Like you can catch a cold more than once on your life? Same as the flu?

The more the days pass the more it becomes apparent some things don't add up.

Also learnt today the science that this 2 meter social distance crap is based on hasn't even been peer reviewed yet.
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Our Chief Nurse said 1 metre so I guess 2 metres is recommended because if people are slightly closer it won't make much difference
 
KingOfTheTribes said:
It's a blood test so you'll need to go to the doctors etc.

WHO and UK Gov now thinking you can get Covid twice so it's not the game changer the Gov thought is would be back in March.

But it is good news and the info from the tests will be valuable for the scientists etc.
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Have you got a link to that?
 
dooderooni said:
Good man (y)
I'll freely admit I'm on the overly cautious side of the seesaw right now, but once our knowledge expands then I'm more than happy to see that seesaw reach a point of balance between health safety and a working economy.
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I was really anxious about everything about 4 weeks ago now, 55 days since I've been at work, but now I'm a lot more relaxed. The only things I can do I do anyways because of muscle memory and habit, constantly washing my hands.

The 2 meter guidance will not last past the new year. Simply because it is not sustainable for any business with the exception of office work.
 
It's been noticeable from footage I have seen from South Korea in queues for covid 19 testing that they do not practice any form of distancing. They do however all wear masks. See the below footage that I assume is from such a queue.


That said I'm currently not wearing deodorant to ensure people keep their distance from me.
 
RandySavage said:
I was really anxious about everything about 4 weeks ago now, 55 days since I've been at work, but now I'm a lot more relaxed. The only things I can do I do anyways because of muscle memory and habit, constantly washing my hands.

The 2 meter guidance will not last past the new year. Simply because it is not sustainable for any business with the exception of office work.
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I don't work in an office and it is sustainable, except for those who choose to ignore it. I understand that businesses will face challenges, but flexible working hours and other measures can alleviate potential crowding. There will be certain businesses that face more challenges than others, but humans can be very ingenious when needs must.
 
dooderooni said:
I don't work in an office and it is sustainable, except for those who choose to ignore it. I understand that businesses will face challenges, but flexible working hours and other measures can alleviate potential crowding. There will be certain businesses that face more challenges than others, but humans can be very ingenious when needs must.
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2 meter spacing in majority of pubs and bars they may aswell not open as they won't get the numbers through the door to pay the bills.
Cut a football stadium in half, so instead of 30,000 seats that sell out every week you only have 15,000, won't work.
Social distancing in major shopping centres and busy high streets will NOT work at Xmas time regardless of the surge in popularity of online shopping.

That odious little witch Pratel says this morning social distancing is here to stay. I bet you it F***ing isn't and she can't do anything about it. Police have already said they cannot police it so she's **** out of luck.
 
Social distancing aggressively now and getting the virus levels down to negligible levels is the investment in the future though. That's why I've had issues with some posters who appear to be wanting a faster pace of coming out of lockdown.
Once we have it suppressed and an efficient and speedy track and trace programme is in place then social distancing can be relaxed a bit more to allow places to reopen.
Act in haste, repentant at leisure as they say.
 
hewielewie said:
Have you got a link to that?
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Heard it on the BBC, they interviewed a specialist on a programme the day I posted the message. I was as good as quoting what her said. So, so link, but it will be on iPlayer but I'm a little bit tipsy so can't link the programme. Will try to do so tomorrow.
 
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