A&S Police investigating Bob Vylan

InflatableDinosaur said:
Agree with what you are saying but that is not a good enough excuse in my book.

This sort of 'I didn't mean it literally, I am just frustrated' type of defence is regularly used by racists and is equally unacceptable.

You are either call out all types or hate speech or none. You can't let someone off because they agree with your ideology.
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I get you
When a wealthy white Tory donor said
Diane Abbot makes me want to hate all black women and ‘she should be shot’……

You see - there is no fairness.

All hate speech is wrong except……

Cards on table from me - I have no problem hating what the IDF are doing.
 
Gaza was mentioned on stage by approximately 20 other acts at Glastonbury.
Then this idiot who the vast majority of people have never heard of made that fatal blunder.
“ It’s not necessary to say everything that comes into your head”
Cue reaction, some of it entirely synthetic and cynical dependent on who they want to take a swing at, and who’s swinging the bat.
The Beeb are getting hammered at the moment….it’s ok to claim their responsibility for not hitting the button during the time it took for things to be said, but difficult to anticipate during live broadcast. Everyone is rightly appalled by
(a) What was said, or what they thought he said. But there’s now a cynical attempt by the usual suspects to exploit the situation. The Farage cult say ‘Deport him’ that’s easy he’s from Ipswich or somewhere around there.
In the meantime it’s time to concentrate on stopping the bloody nightmare. Seems like it was lovely city once
 

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1finny said:
I get you
When a wealthy white Tory donor said
Diane Abbot makes me want to hate all black women and ‘she should be shot’……

You see - there is no fairness.

All hate speech is wrong except……

Cards on table from me - I have no problem hating what the IDF are doing.
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I don’t think anyone has any issues hating what the IDF are doing which I think is universal.

Death, Death to the IDF is wrong.

The ones we should be going after are the leaders and decision makers and the ones who commit these atrocities, not the all of them.
 
InflatableDinosaur said:
I am not sure I understand your question. Are you implying that your hatred is so great you can't control or be responsible for your actions?
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No of course not. I'm just challenging the assertion that all hate speech should be called out equally. Hatred of a murderous, military machine committing war crimes is not the same as the irrational hatred shown to some groups.
 
redrobbo said:
They are the terrorists according to Zionist supporting politicians, that's all. If you think that the IDF are not in fact terrorising the Palestinian people then I understand where you are coming from - though disagree.
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Definition : "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

unlawful - The International Court of Justice has found the actions of the Israeli government and IDF troops illegal on multiple counts.

Violence - Yes the IDF have performed violent acts

Intimidation - we've all seen the pictures, rolling tanks down streets, rounding people up etc

Civilians - They have attacked Palestinians with impunity, no validation if they are combatants or civilians, they've killed children, bombed hospitals and schools, they kill civilians repeatedly

Political Aims - The IDF are performing the will of the Israeli government and it's political strategies

The IDF meet the definition of Terrorism
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Rachel Shabi, a British Israeli Jewish lady, sums up the whole sorry situation very well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1939785647373406337
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So would you like Avon and Somerset Police to investigate the IDF?

Because of the war that is happening in a foreign land, are A&S police to stop doing their jobs by policing criminal offences in this country? It doesn't matter how many civilians the IDF kill in that respect. The police still have a duty over here.
 
northernrower said:
So would you like Avon and Somerset Police to investigate the IDF?

Because of the war that is happening in a foreign land, are A&S police to stop doing their jobs by policing criminal offences in this country? It doesn't matter how many civilians the IDF kill in that respect. The police still have a duty over here.
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Nobody said any of that.The poster says that she sums up the situation well. The situation being that the media are showing more interest in what Vylan said than on an actual genocide.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Nobody said any of that.The poster says that she sums up the situation well. The situation being that the media are showing more interest in what Vylan said than on an actual genocide.
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My point is that the response which contained the video wasn't relevant to the opening post in this thread.

My reply was to get the thread back on track.
 
I saw Bob Vylan a couple of years ago at Stockton Calling. He was the best and most intense act of the day.

I took a photo of someone wearing an official BV Tshirt and stuck it on the front cover of my music fanzine.

Great gig and he’s certainly not one to shy away from what’s on his mind.
 

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POINT_BLANK_TEESSIDE said:
I saw Bob Vylan a couple of years ago at Stockton Calling. He was the best and most intense act of the day.

I took a photo of someone wearing an official BV Tshirt and stuck it on the front cover of my music fanzine.

Great gig and he’s certainly not one to shy away from what’s on his mind.
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Was at that gig. Outstanding. Best act of the day by far. Seen him another couple of times since
 
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jonny_greenings_sock said:
They were in Israel on October 7th.

Try not to weigh in on this stuff and it’s all bang out of order from all sides. But I’ve got a mate who used to serve in the IDF, because he had to (national service). Didn’t enjoy it, just a normal bloke who likes music and playing football and photography, artist type.

Chants suggesting he should be killed chill me a bit (as do bombing raids on civilians in the West Bank and Gaza).

Extremism is extremism and for me should be stamped down on, from whichever side it’s from. I hate how it’s become fashionable for artists - hi Kneecap - to cosplay as militants, they should know better. And I really hate how it’s so fashionable to chant things like that, with zero understanding of the subject apart from having seen a few memes on social media. They’re people, regardless of how you feel about the conflict they’re in.

All needs dialling back imo.
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Nobody is calling for death to people. The IDF is an organisation, what's wrong with saying death to an evil organisation.
 
Well to state the obvious, regardless of opinion, if a law has been broken then they're needs to be an investigation and due process applied. Why would anyone find this unusual?
 
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