A long shadow cast over Brexit

Borobuddah

Borobuddah

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A Boris Johnson led tory government with a commanding majority.

I voted leave, but it came with a heavy price.
 
Well BB, I've not been the biggest fan of the EU, but a bigger believer in them than Westminster and the English electorate.

Wait and see time now but I think we both know the way this is going.
 
Listening to leavers in parliament square is quite frightening, racism will be ramped up from hereon by the sound of it. None of the union jack waving morons seems to have a clue about how the EU works, all they can do is regurgitate all the meaningless soundbites fed to them by the Leave propagandists. It's just like 1930s Germany scapegoating foreigners for the shortcomings of Govt policies but instead of jews read EU and even more like Soviet propaganda (where is the Russian report BTW) as satirised in Orwell's Animal Farm. Johnson/Farage and co are just the embodiment of Squealer.

"In Animal Farm, the silver-tongued pig Squealer abuses language to justify Napoleon’s actions and policies to the proletariat by whatever means seem necessary. By radically simplifying language—as when he teaches the sheep to bleat “Four legs good, two legs better!”—he limits the terms of debate. By complicating language unnecessarily, he confuses and intimidates the uneducated, as when he explains that pigs, who are the “brainworkers” of the farm, consume milk and apples not for pleasure, but for the good of their comrades. In this latter strategy, he also employs jargon (“tactics, tactics”) as well as a baffling vocabulary of false and impenetrable statistics, engendering in the other animals both self-doubt and a sense of hopelessness about ever accessing the truth without the pigs’ mediation. Squealer’s lack of conscience and unwavering loyalty to his leader, alongside his rhetorical skills, make him the perfect propagandist for any tyranny. Squealer’s name also fits him well: squealing, of course, refers to a pig’s typical form of vocalization, and Squealer’s speech defines him. At the same time, to squeal also means to betray, aptly evoking Squealer’s behavior with regard to his fellow animals. " - SparkNotes
 
kuepper said:
Listening to leavers in parliament square is quite frightening, racism will be ramped up from hereon by the sound of it. None of the union jack waving morons seems to have a clue about how the EU works, all they can do is regurgitate all the meaningless soundbites fed to them by the Leave propagandists. It's just like 1930s Germany scapegoating foreigners for the shortcomings of Govt policies but instead of jews read EU and even more like Soviet propaganda (where is the Russian report BTW) as satirised in Orwell's Animal Farm. Johnson/Farage and co are just the embodiment of Squealer.

"In Animal Farm, the silver-tongued pig Squealer abuses language to justify Napoleon’s actions and policies to the proletariat by whatever means seem necessary. By radically simplifying language—as when he teaches the sheep to bleat “Four legs good, two legs better!”—he limits the terms of debate. By complicating language unnecessarily, he confuses and intimidates the uneducated, as when he explains that pigs, who are the “brainworkers” of the farm, consume milk and apples not for pleasure, but for the good of their comrades. In this latter strategy, he also employs jargon (“tactics, tactics”) as well as a baffling vocabulary of false and impenetrable statistics, engendering in the other animals both self-doubt and a sense of hopelessness about ever accessing the truth without the pigs’ mediation. Squealer’s lack of conscience and unwavering loyalty to his leader, alongside his rhetorical skills, make him the perfect propagandist for any tyranny. Squealer’s name also fits him well: squealing, of course, refers to a pig’s typical form of vocalization, and Squealer’s speech defines him. At the same time, to squeal also means to betray, aptly evoking Squealer’s behavior with regard to his fellow animals. " - SparkNotes
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KUE racism was always there, but leaving Europe has brought it to the surface, into the daylight, easier to fight and defeat imho
 
Well we have left the eu, but nothing has changed.
The irony is people bleat on about independence, yet for the next year we abide by eu rules but don’t sit in the eu parliament
 
I will never understand how we allowed this to happen. The sheer incompetence from those governing us over the last 10 years is truly staggering, and the opposition wasn't much better.

History won't look back fondly on this period of our politics and, let's be honest, the electorate.
 
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Brexiter on the Today program. Been against the EU since 1972 (he was 5) and lost sixpence. How, he ended up with two and half P.

Well decimalisation happened two years before we joined the EEC and he said he'd lost something when he hadn't. And this was the reason he wanted to leave. Says it all.
 
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