45% DROP IN BRITISH ACTS BOOKED FOR EUROPEAN FESTIVALS POST-BREXIT

SmallTown said:
No. I won't lighten up. It's pretty sickening that as another Brexit disaster comes out the usual suspects come in with their deflection, their "I'm alright jack" their lies, the same fact free facetious comments as yet another industry suffers. It's tragic that you're so embarrassed by Brexit that you chose to deflect as yet more people are having careers restricted, lives inconvenienced and jobs put at risk. It's so horrible to read. That you care more about saving face than actual human beings having their lives affected. It's a horrible thing to read.
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Right, tried being nice and jovial with you but you're such a miserable , conceited git who hasn't got a clue about things. How the hell do work out that I'm so embarrassed about Brexit, you don't even know how I voted.
More concerning - how dare you say that I care more about saving face than actually human beings having their lives affected. You've crossed the line saying that but given your a pathetic keyboard warrior but why doesn't it surprise me?
Unlike you I don't go crying to admin when somebody says something nasty ( never mind it being untrue) I'll fight my corner - you purposely took comments out of context so you could start an argument. Well done you've succeeded, you must be a happy bunny tonight.
 
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Best for Britain who produced the article on music bands were set up in 2017 solely to stop the UK leaving the EU and ignoring the 2016 Referendum result.

They are the opposite side of the Daily Telegraph/Daily Mail.
 
exiledinboro said:
I’ve listened to enough debates to know Labour had a Red wall problem all the way back to Blair to 2000

So yes of course there was a brexit issue. What I don’t understand is how they thought they had the base to push through a second referendum which Keir was going to campaign against!

I was constantly emailed asking if I would campaign in 2019 but it was so obvious we wouldn’t win I thankfully never wasted my time even replying.

So it’s no surprise to me that Labour after obvious focus group feedback is now fully committed to being outside the EU

Where that leaves remain voters is anybody’s guess

But again the democratic mandate for the hard brexit is due to the 2019 conservative voters. Some seem to want to downplay the role they played

I don’t imagine Smalltown will vote Labour in 2024 so there we are 🤷🏻‍♂️
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By 2019 a majority of the country had decided Brexit was a mistake for at least 18 months.

Starmer was not going to campaign against a second referendum, it was he who announced it to a standing ovation at the Labour conference earlier that year. It was Corbyns ineptness and the duplicity of the far left individuals in LOTO that destroyed that possibility, plus Swinson’s incompetence, and ensured Boris’ shambolic Brexit and everything else his majority has brought with it.
 
SmallTown said:
No. I won't lighten up. It's pretty sickening that as another Brexit disaster comes out the usual suspects come in with their deflection, their "I'm alright jack" their lies, the same fact free facetious comments as yet another industry suffers. It's tragic that you're so embarrassed by Brexit that you chose to deflect as yet more people are having careers restricted, lives inconvenienced and jobs put at risk. It's so horrible to read. That you care more about saving face than actual human beings having their lives affected. It's a horrible thing to read.
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You're the ultimate "I'm alright jack"
You voted Conservative at the last general election because of IR35 and because by voting Tory it would feather your own nest....
Another champagne socialist 🤣
 
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Redwurzel said:
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Best for Britain who produced the article on music bands were set up in 2017 solely to stop the UK leaving the EU and ignoring the 2016 Referendum result.

They are the opposite side of the Daily Telegraph/Daily Mail.
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Don't bother. Extreme remain groups are fine around here. As as are the far left.

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Why is there such a large amount of paperwork required to transport musical instruments? I'm fairly sure the Arctic Monkeys aren't selling JPS Reds at their gigs??
 
Nobby_Barnes said:
You're the ultimate "I'm alright jack"
You voted Conservative at the last general election because of IR35 and because by voting Tory it would feather your own nest....
Another champagne socialist 🤣
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Ah as usual a brexit discussion turns into personal attacks on me. Twas ever thus. Shame you don't have anything decent to say and have to Stoop to such base, pathetic behaviour
 
Randy said:
Don't bother. Extreme remain groups are fine around here. As as are the far left.

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Why is there such a large amount of paperwork required to transport musical instruments? I'm fairly sure the Arctic Monkeys aren't selling JPS Reds at their gigs??
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I don't think there is even an extreme remain. All I've seen about remainers is them posting stories upset when people lives and livelihoods are damaged.

Some people like music and are sad thay brexit is affecting British bands. You don't care and that's fine. If unpleasant but you're entitled to be selfish and unfeeling
 
Erimus11 said:
Right, tried being nice and jovial with you but you're such a miserable , conceited git who hasn't got a clue about things. How the hell do work out that I'm so embarrassed about Brexit, you don't even know how I voted.
More concerning - how dare you say that I care more about saving face than actually human beings having their lives affected. You've crossed the line saying that but given your a pathetic keyboard warrior but why doesn't it surprise me?
Unlike you I don't go crying to admin when somebody says something nasty ( never mind it being untrue) I'll fight my corner - you purposely took comments out of context so you could start an argument. Well done you've succeeded, you must be a happy bunny tonight.
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It's all there in the thread mate. And in every brexit thread. You always defend it. Even when people talk of millions of pounds being lost and discuss people's livelihoods being put at risk. At best you're embarrassed abkut brexit but some form of pride doesn't want you to admit it,at worst you just don't care about the people struggling. Like in this thread. Your "let them eat cake" comment abkut they can always play in they US was ignorant and nasty. They could always play in the US. Breixt has made it much more difficult for them to play in Europe. That fact you don't care abkut that shows you don't care abkut them. You can get angry and I sult all you want but as we see on this thread. You'd rather "defend" brexit than express concern for people trying to make a living.

That's the saddening thing abkut brexit. Those thay try to defend it now are trying to defend it against all the damage it's doing to lives and livelihoods. When did you become so nasty?
 
I just find it sad that others are now being prevented from the opportunities I enjoyed just a decade ago. A good friend of mine played regularly in Europe with Dutch musicians - he now must pay for a visa for every country visited and of course borrow his instruments in Europe. As to bands well the figures speak for themselves that is a really big fall in numbers, a fall in earnings and a fall in opportunities. What a crying shame.
 
Randy said:
Don't bother. Extreme remain groups are fine around here. As as are the far left.

😉

Why is there such a large amount of paperwork required to transport musical instruments? I'm fairly sure the Arctic Monkeys aren't selling JPS Reds at their gigs??
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Just admit you don't understand it and haven't bothered to find out about it.
 
fmttmadmin said:
I just find it sad that others are now being prevented from the opportunities I enjoyed just a decade ago. A good friend of mine played regularly in Europe with Dutch musicians - he now must pay for a visa for every country visited and of course borrow his instruments in Europe. As to bands well the figures speak for themselves that is a really big fall in numbers, a fall in earnings and a fall in opportunities. What a crying shame.
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Rob, what do you think this is going to have as a long term effect on the British music industry if it carries on?

How important are those European tours and revenue to those up and coming bands for their growth and survival?
 
Lefty said:
Rob, what do you think this is going to have as a long term effect on the British music industry if it carries on?

How important are those European tours and revenue to those up and coming bands for their growth and survival?
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I am not an expert, I need to go away and chat to a few people I know that are. I do think the impact will be very significant indeed. I never really toured in UK but instead toured in Europe. Why? Because you were paid a fee. In Britain this has never been an absolute given. In Europe you were fed, got accomodation and were well promoted.
There are some great independent promoters in UK and many of them are in Teesside and the north east. But not everywhere in Britain is the same.
A 45% drop going to Europe is not going to raise opportunities in Britain. They are already declining rapidly anyway, instead it will lead to fewer bands playing in Britain. Full stop.
 
Randy said:
Two people still haven't answered an innocent question?
Why the amount of paperwork for musical instruments?
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Because we are no longer in the EU musicians need a work visa for every country. No longer being in the customs union we need to account for all equipment and merchandise being carried across each border. You are commercial, you are working. It doesn't matter if you are the Stones or Shrug.
 
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If the problem is FOM and leave voters don’t care about anything else shouldn’t the UK just rejoin the Custom Union which will help with this and other issues.
 
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Kosovo said:
Will ask this again

If the problem is FOM and leave voters don’t care about anything else should’t the UK rejoin the Custom Union which I believe will help this issue.
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Yes UK should but the brexiters aren't going to allow that to happen. It's all about ideology and lies, not what is best for the people of the UK.
 
Kosovo said:
Will ask this again

If the problem is FOM and leave voters don’t care about anything else shouldn’t the UK just rejoin the Custom Union which will help with this and other issues.
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Most people are not listening Kosovo - read a lot of the posts on here there is a lot of its the end of the world as we know it quite a few posters seem to glory in the negativity. Half the UK population appear to be branded Hard Brexiters/UKIP style supporters.

It could be same at Government levels too with no one interested in changing or modifying what they do.

Maybe in a few years time Ice Station Zebra will start to thaw.
 
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