1finny
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Your last sentence nails this
Yes people are serious about the climate problem because they put the recycling out.
I’ve cleansed my conscience and that is enough hassle to go through isn’t it
20 mph replacing 30 mph
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Yes people are serious about the climate problem because they put the recycling out.
I’ve cleansed my conscience and that is enough hassle to go through isn’t it
RenzoRosso
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If you work in the centre and you have to take equipment in and out public transport isn’t an option.
atypical_boro
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As I say, I'm not saying no one should ever drive in a city centre.
A van full of equipment doesn't need to go much quicker than 20mph in a busy city centre though.
RenzoRosso
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no one can really go more than 20 when it’s busy but after hours when you’re the only person on the road it’s a bit of a drag to say the least, adds an extra 3rd of time onto the journey (for me about 20-30minutes) and I wonder if that’s more emissions or less?
Our European neighbours have adopted variable speed limits depending on time of day so it appears it can be done. That being said London air has dramatically improved thanks to all the low emission work by Kahn so I can take an extra half an hour on the ride if it means cleaner air.
Our European neighbours have adopted variable speed limits depending on time of day so it appears it can be done. That being said London air has dramatically improved thanks to all the low emission work by Kahn so I can take an extra half an hour on the ride if it means cleaner air.
True, but using that logic they’d be even more likely to survive an accident at 10mph. But it would obviously be impractical to reduce limits to that.
There’s got to be a balance between risk and practicality, I think a 20 limit would be good in some places that are currently 30, but in others probably too low.
To be honest I think the larger problem now is the amount of people who are driving while using their mobiles. It’s not phone calls either, lots of people are driving around while browsing at the screen. I’d say I see people on a daily basis drifting out of lanes, into oncoming traffic etc because they’re looking down at their lap.
RenzoRosso
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Yep that definitely needs sorting.
MickaelDebevePhenomenal
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If the worst part of your day is that you have had to drive 20mph on a road where you once drove 30mph, you've had a pretty good day.
Loop
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Oh I know, but how far do you go? It’s ridiculous.
SmallTown
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There are so many horrible drivers these days. Itøs all 20 MPH roads near me and it's genuinely stressful to drive at that speed because of others. The amount of people who tailgate you, I've had white van men driving half out of their lane trying to force you to go quicker. It's grim
RenzoRosso
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I’ve noticed a lot more speed cameras but obviously they only catch speeding. I used to see those traffic officer smart cars with a sort of periscope camera thing spotting bad driving (I assumed) but haven’t seen one of those for ages.
BorrisiaTeeth
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As an enthusiastic motorist/motorcyclist/petrol head. I’m all for it. However…
There should be more variety in speed limits. My nana lives in a culdesac. The speed limit is 30mph. Whilst on the M1 it is 70mph. There in is the problem for me. Only x2 1/3 difference between a culdesac and the M1
20mph in residential areas. 85-90 on motorways
There should be more variety in speed limits. My nana lives in a culdesac. The speed limit is 30mph. Whilst on the M1 it is 70mph. There in is the problem for me. Only x2 1/3 difference between a culdesac and the M1
20mph in residential areas. 85-90 on motorways
festa5
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Agree. Although public transport in many places outside cities is absolutely shocking.
In my village we have one bus into York every 2 hours. The last one back from York is 6.20pm.
There are no railway stations between Thirsk and York. Used to be, but all closed a long long time ago.
Parking in York is obviously shocking, so it's not like they're encouraging driving. But they're not exactly encouraging the use of public transport either. The two have to go hand in hand.
Andy_W
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Yeah, I agree with this.
For me:
20mph residential/ near schools etc, but have to remove all speed bumps, and stupid chicanes
50mph country roads (60mph on most of these is insane)
70-100mph on motorways if the situation allows (i.e not crazy traffic, obv only 100mph if the road is practically empty)
Put more responsibility on the drivers, but penalise them harsher if they **** up, i.e speeding past schools etc, lane hogging, tail gating.
RenzoRosso
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it does feel as though a lot of the rules are out dated and need looking at. 20 is fine in built up areas and yea 60 is far too fast on most country roads. I’m quite happy with 70 on motorways though. I’ve been driving a lot this year in Germany and it’s just not safe when folks are bombing along at 80+ - saw a couple of terrible accidents.
Juninhoburger
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Cars can brake a hell of a lot quicker nowadays, speed limits are ridiculously outdated
SmallTown
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I would agree with this completely.
The only thing I would question is when the we the last tiem been wholly 70 mph? There are so many 50 zones there and there has been for decades they might as well make it blanket 50
I walk a lot.
Maybe because I am getting older and grumpier but cars now seem to be so much louder and give off quite a significant wind rush as they pass. it can be quite unpleasant at times especially when you factor in the poor state of the pavements & no one seems to cut the hedges back anymore.
Reducing the speed will also reduce road noise and make walking alongside roads more comfortable.
No one seems to of mentioned the 40mph roads but these as a pedestrian are the worst and should be reduced to 30mph.
Maybe because I am getting older and grumpier but cars now seem to be so much louder and give off quite a significant wind rush as they pass. it can be quite unpleasant at times especially when you factor in the poor state of the pavements & no one seems to cut the hedges back anymore.
Reducing the speed will also reduce road noise and make walking alongside roads more comfortable.
No one seems to of mentioned the 40mph roads but these as a pedestrian are the worst and should be reduced to 30mph.
My experience living in Wales are the 20mph zones are a nightmare and in my opinion dangerous.
Less likely to have fatal accidents in a 20 than a 30 but anyone "forced" to drive 20 because someone in front is doing 20 means they hit the motorway and instead of going 75 like they used to, foot comes down, already feeling road rage and they go 80/90 instead.
Not every 30 mph in Wales is 20, however some roads go from 50 or 40 to 20 and it just doesn't work.
Less likely to have fatal accidents in a 20 than a 30 but anyone "forced" to drive 20 because someone in front is doing 20 means they hit the motorway and instead of going 75 like they used to, foot comes down, already feeling road rage and they go 80/90 instead.
Not every 30 mph in Wales is 20, however some roads go from 50 or 40 to 20 and it just doesn't work.
Archienoeyes
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There is no consistency with it though! Green lane is 30 mph unless the school is coming out which is fair enough. Trimdon avenue is 20 so much hassle on it then there is the stupid mini roundabout next to the doctors which is imo dangerous.
newusername
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It isn't just urban environments that need reduced speeds but the network of rural A, B & minor roads, 10 dead this weekend in two crashes.
