1000 cases a day for all of June

The Government has settled on an 'acceptable' level of death and disease in order to re-open the economy.

Over 4,000 in hospital and the 7 day rolling average of deaths has ticked up recently.

More pain coming later in the year I fear.
 
Soutra said:
Has the seven day average ticked up? Maybe one day it was up, but the trend is pretty clear.
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It has flattened off and ticked up before then dropped then flattened off. Ticking up again.

Science said this would happen all the way down from the peak.

Reports now that the chances of dying from it when hospitalised is 1.5% down from 6.? % at the peak.
 
BoroFur said:
The Government has settled on an 'acceptable' level of death and disease in order to re-open the economy.

Over 4,000 in hospital and the 7 day rolling average of deaths has ticked up recently.

More pain coming later in the year I fear.
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It would also appear that many members of the British public have settled on an acceptable level of death and disease as so many of them are keen to crowd onto beaches, into parks and into parties.
 
Also don't forget that the '1000' infections come as more tests are being done (200k one day this week) and within the wider community.

For me it was very sad that the deaths went up yesterday but overall excess deaths had been very close to normal when the ONS figures were released this week (granted you have to take time lag into account). If the excess deaths start trending below the 5 year average (which they should) that will be a good indicator that the deaths are more part of the 'natural' cycle for want of a better word.

I'd really like to see a huge effort by government to help the NHS return to normal operations and quickly, that will stem the flow of missed cancer diagnosis etc (the number of cancer diagnosis a week in normal circumstances are absolutely staggering never mind other critical conditions).

Oh forgot to mention in general people in community getting it (especially in summer) isn't as big a problem, pillar 1 (in hospital tests) is one to monitor as these are people who clearly are severely impacted by it.
 
I think we have to understand that the world needs to reopen as soon and as safely as possible otherwise there won't be much of a world for us to return to. For this to happen there unfortunately has to be a level of risk taken. We can't wait for a vaccine.

I'm still going out as little as possible and would have locked down earlier and harder as i think it would have been more effective and better for public health and the economy.
 
Hmmm
Maybe the public are responding to the words of the PM
When asked, earlier this week, what he would say to the local authority in Brighton who were worried about people flocking to the beaches
‘Show som guts and welcome people’

But, good to see his key message is getting through ‘blame the public’
 
‘there won't be much of a world for us to return to’

What does that mean though? It will be a different world, may be better.
 
1finny said:
‘there won't be much of a world for us to return to’

What does that mean though? It will be a different world, may be better.
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It might be a better one eventually but if the economy totally crashed and millions were jobless it would be a nightmarish period which would claim many lives, my view is that on balance it's better to proceed with caution and try to restart the economy.
 
Alvez_48 said:
Also don't forget that the '1000' infections come as more tests are being done (200k one day this week) and within the wider community.

For me it was very sad that the deaths went up yesterday but overall excess deaths had been very close to normal when the ONS figures were released this week (granted you have to take time lag into account). If the excess deaths start trending below the 5 year average (which they should) that will be a good indicator that the deaths are more part of the 'natural' cycle for want of a better word.

I'd really like to see a huge effort by government to help the NHS return to normal operations and quickly, that will stem the flow of missed cancer diagnosis etc (the number of cancer diagnosis a week in normal circumstances are absolutely staggering never mind other critical conditions).

Oh forgot to mention in general people in community getting it (especially in summer) isn't as big a problem, pillar 1 (in hospital tests) is one to monitor as these are people who clearly are severely impacted by it.
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I've had a biopsy and two further visits to JCUH in the last fortnight and itt appears to be a busy place.

My skin consultant has put my regular visit back but she told me that anything urgent would be dealt with within a fortnight, and that has been what's happened in my case. I was seen at the One Life centre prior to surgery, another on here mention the Tees Valley hospital being used. An old Nate of mine has had heart surgery too, so the urgent care is not being out off.
 
You've got to remember Colgates the majority of this boards posters are coming to / are retired.
It's easier to hope for a better world when you're mortgage is paid off and you don't need a job.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I've had a biopsy and two further visits to JCUH in the last fortnight and itt appears to be a busy place.

My skin consultant has put my regular visit back but she told me that anything urgent would be dealt with within a fortnight, and that has been what's happened in my case. I was seen at the One Life centre prior to surgery, another on here mention the Tees Valley hospital being used. An old Nate of mine has had heart surgery too, so the urgent care is not being out off.
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Oh I completely accept it's better than it has been but we need it back to normal working, from GP to palliative care.
 
Alvez_48 said:
You are Jeff bezos and I claim my £10 🤣
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We do throw this stuff around though don’t we? I’m not sure anyone really understandis the social impact on things like ‘the economy will contract‘.
I’ve used those kind of phrases myself over the years and just find myself trying to work out (with little success by the way) what it might look like.
Some of the poorest countries in the world are famous for having a wonderful sense of community.

After Friday ‘Leg work day’ I think I’ll move to Saturday ‘ponder’ day
 
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1finny do you work for a company that owns supermarkets?

If you do, are you able to say what sort of effect the virus has had on your workforce ie has the level of sick days gone up a lot, has it followed the infection pattern of general public, etc?
 
BoroBosco said:
1finny do you work for a company that owns supermarkets?

If you do, are you able to say what sort of effect the virus has had on your workforce ie has the level of sick days gone up a lot, has it followed the infection pattern of general public, etc?
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Good question - did that very analysis last week.
In short little impact on absence (apart from shielding and child care isssues).
We have less cases of Covid in our store teams (per capita) than the county average - and the county has one of the lowest in the UK.

Always difficult to read anything into the numbers but it gives us a bit of comfort that food shopping is relatively safe and vindicates all the work we have done to make our stores as safe as possible for customers and colleagues
 
Thanks for that & it's good to hear that supermarket staff aren't being disproportionately affected.
 
I'll ask the question here, ignoring any debate around the pro's/con's of face coverings, would making them mandatory in enclosed spaces (shops, offices, even schools) not have a benefit in trying to balance the economic and health issues we are facing?
I work in a 100% masked environment and that coupled with social distancing has meant we have stayed productive during the lockdown (how productive will be indicated by the number of smiley boxes you've acquired at home).
The confidence, be it false or otherwise that wearing a mask brings has to have a positive impact and for a lot of people it might actually give them enough confidence to become an active part of the high street economy.
We have to learn to live with and around this virus and so I'd say that for a government that likes to use psychometric and behavioural data, face coverings would be beneficial from that standpoint and depending on which research you choose to believe, it won't be particularly detrimental from a health standpoint in the grand scheme of things.
If you want to see what raw-dogging reopening looks like then the horror show across the pond might persuade you to get behind the wearing of face coverings as one small part of getting back to something like normal.
 
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