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It's like talking to Donald Trump.

Interesting tact. You're branding me a liar for presenting facts that dispel your claim. Nice.

The Auto's are long gone.

A lot of people make excuses for Carrick because he's a good guy, we play attractive football and they'd like him here long term. I'm on board with wanting him to stay for those reasons too but i'm not willing to revise the narrative so we can dance around an uncomfortable truth and that is that...

The original comment was made after a win no?

Don't move the goal posts. You said by any measure we don't have a squad to compete. I've given you two very solid yard sticks where we not only compete but surpass them. I have no doubt that they're more solid in other areas but that was my point. We have a squad that can compete with anyone in...

Barlaser actually picked up at least three fouls turning his man, so i don't think that point stands up. I agree with you on the whole though.

I'll give you two very measurable bases for comparison... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers#TopScorers https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers#TopAssists

They are of course but do you honestly think we look remotely close to getting close to that forecast?

You're right but given those odds, if that's the basis for comparison, you'd expect us to be in the mix and the truth of it is we haven't even been close.

With the greatest respect that's hyperbolic nonsense Mart. We are less than the sum of our parts.

The bookies had us 2nd favourites for promotion at the start of the season. I think that speaks volumes about how much we've under achieved.

You know i'd i feel a lot better if i felt we'd done ourselves justice this season. If we'd competed towards the top of the league and fell short, very much like Sunderland. Sunderland have exceeded the sum of their parts but we haven't even been close to doing that. Our results have been...

Funny you should say that because just last night Carrick said in his interview we're striving to be at the top of the league. Straight from the horses mouth.

Revisionism. The club were bullish about our prospects this season and rightly so. Our squad is as good as those three mentioned.

I don't think progress was solely the aim. I think it was quite clear cut we were in the mix to compete for the those top two spots. It's not even Christmas and that opportunity is now long gone. That's not good enough.

I couldn't have put it better myself. This squad of players have been mis-managed. We play some great football but its at the expense of being effective. This was our season to really compete and we haven't. The management team have to take responsibility for that.

Same.

You definitely frequent eFests :)

I think it's only fair that when you're paying circa £400 that you want at least one top headliner. Everyone knows there's plenty going on elsewhere at all time though. Don't agree with the @Juninhoburger comments at all.