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I can imagine most of their fans are pensioners…

Putting everything else to one side how do you think Labour would have done if they had just said we will get Brexit done like Johnson did? I’m not sure myself, I don’t think the campaign was anywhere near as good as 2017.

Yes I agree the policy was wrong, maybe Labour MPs were still in denial about the referendum result, Brexit definitely got Johnson over the line. My comments above were more about the difference between Corbyn 2017 and 2019. That said I can imagine a lot of Labour voters will not be happy with...

I agree a number of Labour MPs didn’t help at all but I’m not convinced the average voter takes too much notice of all that stuff - look how chronically divided the Tories were going into 2019. In my opinion it’s the sound bites the Sun and Mail churned out about the IRA and the PLO that...

Putting to one side the unacceptable and desperate plight of the 1 million plus people actually involved in this battle, it sounds like a very very dangerous state of affairs for the rest of the world.

He was an easy target due to his past associations with groups regarded as terrorists, it was easy for the Tory propagandists to get at him for this alone, regardless of any good intentions. Once he was out from under the radar in 2017 as a big Labour vote machine they knew which lines of...

I agree, I think the middle is defined by the custom and practice of the people in the country as much as anything. Our history is rooted in the feudal system where people got a small dwelling, a bit of the food off the land and no doubt a few hand outs here and there from the lord of the...

I have a view that Labour leaders should stand down if they do not win an election for the very reasons you state. It’s hard for Labour because the right wing media is stacked against them although that might matter less in future as the old newspapers die out with their readers.

Yes and despite all the excuses a lot of that leave vote was to do with Jonny foreigner even for Labour voters.

Johnson convinced a lot of people he was their favourite uncle and would look after them with Brexit sunlit uplands and levelling up. He had a solid base of 17 million leave voters to gather in. On top of that the Tories have been collecting the pensioners vote on the back of triple lock and...

I I agree but the problem with Corbyn politically is the right wing media twist or lie about what he says, they’ve done a job on him since he nearly won in 2017. For that reason he has become a liability for Labour as a party trying to win an election.

You could be right or is it simply that Starmer is showing a ruthlessness to win an election which Labour have lacked since Tony Blair? The problem with Corbyn is that he is so high profile that he will/would have as many journalists following him around as Starmer at the next election campaign...

Regardless of their contribution at the Boro I would say of that list only Rav and Boksic were true international superstars.

I think you make a very good point about Mick Lynch in that he got out there and won the intellectual argument. He is now a hate figure for the right but he still won the argument. The Tories keep doing well in elections because they win the arguments - Triple lock for pensioners Keep taxes...

My Dad was a big Mannion man and watched the Boro right up to his final journey to the Bob End in the Sky so he saw all the eras that he could. His stand out players over 80 odd years were Mannion, Juninho, Emerson and Clough. He thought Clough was the best striker he had seen playing for anyone.

Express Mail and Torygraph are just relentless cheerleaders for Tories and mudslingers at Labour He could be right but more from the point of view that some of the older generation might think proof of ID stuff is not the British way and can’t be bothered with it.

The food banks are the tip of the iceberg in my opinion. How many households with young kids are subsidised by the older generation who provide a food bank in a different way? A Tory at work came out with similar rubbish to dsr Burnley above, it’s their way of defending something which they...

Daily Express keep producing polls showing what a great job Sunak is doing. Something afoot in the world of propaganda.

He’s playing better than ever and looks like he has a few years left in him to me

That’s my longest walk too, I could hardly move for about a week afterwards..