Gibson and bausor -poor

Boroboyyo said:
Gibson is arguably taking us to league 1 at this rate . He nearly did .

It might not be greener , but I’d prefer taking that chance than the inevitable void Gibson is taking us into
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The club owes Gibson so much money mainly from his own errors, no chance is it an attractive buy to anyone

He really has taken us full circle, far more likely to be in league one instead of the premier league in the near future

Amazing just how many fans are in denial because of something he did 30 years ago
 
Boroboyyo said:
Why hire a manager who wants experienced players but adopt a buy young and cheap model ?

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Why continue to undermine your managers and get them players they don’t want ?
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So why did Wilder join? We already had Scott in as a DoF, so he must have known what he was getting himself in for?

I understand people are disappointed an exciting striker wasn't signed but I really don't get this criticism of the club for looking to get young players we can turn a profit on. Thats just an obviously sensible way to operate.
 
boroboy6872 said:
Read on here a couple of days ago that we have a debt on £110 million that Gibson is propping up

If that is true

Who is going to buy a club with that around it`s neck

Gibson isn`t going anywhere, thankfully, because when he does I fear it will be the end of Middlesbrough Football Club
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If that is true then he has ****ed the club over by making it unappealing to buyers

The man is a dinosaur and needs to go. He is going to take us back to where he found us
 
SuperStu said:
So why did Wilder join? We already had Scott in as a DoF, so he must have known what he was getting himself in for?

I understand people are disappointed an exciting striker wasn't signed but I really don't get this criticism of the club for looking to get young players we can turn a profit on. Thats just an obviously sensible way to operate.
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Because he was misled ? I think he was told he was going to be backed and he hasn’t to the extent he was hoping to be
 
SuperStu said:
So why did Wilder join? We already had Scott in as a DoF, so he must have known what he was getting himself in for?

I understand people are disappointed an exciting striker wasn't signed but I really don't get this criticism of the club for looking to get young players we can turn a profit on. Thats just an obviously sensible way to operate.
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It would be a sensible way to operate if everyone at the club was on the same page but he hired a manager who is well known for not being a manager that will develop players.

Buying players like Payero, for good money, and then not playing him so he ends up leaving on a free. How are we going to turn a profit on players playing in our U21s? It's just a waste money
 
Nano said:
It would be a sensible way to operate if everyone at the club was on the same page but he hired a manager who is well known for not being a manager that will develop players.

Buying players like Payero, for good money, and then not playing him so he ends up leaving on a free. How are we going to turn a profit on players playing in our U21s? It's just a waste money
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He's 100 % not the manager to develop young talent its really a stupid appointment by the club. Someone like Mark Warburton would work far better with our recruitment model.
 
Boroboyyo said:
Because he was misled ? I think he was told he was going to be backed and he hasn’t to the extent he was hoping to be
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Bollaxxxxxxx. Lets get real. He won't have been told there's loads of funds or that we don't need to recoup money from sales.

Not backed o_O 12 players in. How many would mean he was backed?

"It's the wrong ones, he needed different players!"

What Dwight Gayle? Get Connelly back? Does anyone really think that'd have improved us?

Cant develop young players? So why did we spend all summer chasing Greaves and Larsen? Both 22. Or are we saying Wilder didn't want them either.
 
Nano said:
It would be a sensible way to operate if everyone at the club was on the same page but he hired a manager who is well known for not being a manager that will develop players.
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Glover_elbow said:
He's 100 % not the manager to develop young talent its really a stupid appointment by the club. Someone like Mark Warburton would work far better with our recruitment model.
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If that's the case he should go, and probably change career. The finances involved in football just make that such an unrealistic preference.
 
I think many will agree that what we’re seeing now is a product of a summer of poor recruiting. But, and I think this is a big but I think Wilder will probably turn this around— given time.

As fans we’re too quick to point fingers at the manager but I just don’t think he can be fully blamed for the mess this club is in.

Granted it was like watching paint dry but Wilder had little or no options tonight with setting up the team to not concede. Perhaps the team could have been more productive if we had Akpom back but it’s clear that our creative options are very limited.

Some good points from the draw ..

1. We didn’t concede
2. Our tackling was a lot better
3. We only picked up one booking
 
I just think it’s a joke that we have the 2nd expensive season tickets, £30 odd for a home game and selling a hoodie for £75. If it continues like this i doubt there will be many people coming to the home games next season, especially since we’ve had around 18,500 season tickets sold this season.
 
The clubs transfer policy is baffling, along with some other strange decisions. At the end of this season we’re going to look back and say why did we let a young attacking midfielder, that we paid circa of £6m for, go out on loan without ever giving him a chance, and why did we sell our best midfielder, Tavenier, without getting a replacement of at least similar ability. We’ll also ask why did we spend £5m on two “development” strikers that the manager doesn’t seem to want to play when we have been crying out for two proven goal scorers for lord knows how long. The squad is imbalanced and under strength in key areas and our manager is clearly very unhappy about it, and understandably so. All this mess ultimately lies at the door of the chairman, he’s the one solely in charge of making the key decisions at this football club. He appointed Bauser and Co and if they can’t deliver what’s required they should not be here. It’s looking like another wasted season, with the possibility of having to find a new manager once again and starting yet another major rebuild to try and fix things. WHAT A MESS
 
I think a lot of us fans forget the human element to transfers.

How do we know that the club didn't try to back moves for players wilder was after but that they simply didn't want to come up north? We have been held to ransom many a time (Merson/Townsend etc) by players who didn't want to move up this way, and especially foreign players coming into the country often want to be as close to London as possible. Ben Foster touched on it a while ago on his podcast that he had known players rather take half the wage on offer to be in London than be in the north, or even look that he has decided to retire rather than take a "we will pay you what ever you want" contract for 9 months at Newcastle solely because it would mean he was away from his family. If you looked at Adranz Spraor's instagram when he was with us it looked like he was in London more often than he was ever at rockcliffe.

Not for one minute am i defending the clubs recruitment policy/strategy but their are lots of variables to consider and unfortunately coming to Middlesbrough is seem by a lot as a negative by many.
 
SuperStu said:
So why did Wilder join? We already had Scott in as a DoF, so he must have known what he was getting himself in for?

I understand people are disappointed an exciting striker wasn't signed but I really don't get this criticism of the club for looking to get young players we can turn a profit on. Thats just an obviously sensible way to operate.
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But those young players have to play to produce a profit
 
Wilder didn't want us to sign development strikers, he wanted Larsen, however there was no chance of us spending that amount of money on one player.

In hindsight, maybe Wilder should have left in the summer and a manager should have come in who was prepared to work according to the club's model.
 
Boroboyyo said:
After watching this I’m pretty certain wilder won’t see things out till Christmas , never mind the end of the season

Wilder is just the scapegoat though . I will continue to say this because I think it’s true , but these two are to blame for where we are.

If it’s not hiring incompetent “managers” like woodgate it’s continuous transfer windows where we leave everything till the last minute . What is alarming to me as well, is we seem to also purchase players the managers don’t want. This was also happening under the karanka era too , but we’re now adopting the model of buy young and cheap and sell on for more . What baffles me though is we hire managers who don’t share that philosophy . Wilder and Warnock are known to prefer experience, so why buy two young strikers for him ? Why buy payero when it is evident Warnock didn’t want him ? They’re not going to get a lot of game time so their valuation will go down and we sell for little . Spence didn’t even improve his valuation here. We also charge premier league prices for this **** too. What still angers me is he charges those obscene prices yet effectively gave up mid way through the premier league season and consigned us to relegation . That January transfer window was a F***ing abomination .

I appreciate we’re not going to on the main radar of rich owners but I honestly think Gibson ( and especially bausors ) should put the feelers out for a buyer and put the club up for sale . We’re a medium sized club with good potential to have a sustained period in the premier league with the right backers. I know he saved the club and I’m eternally grateful for that , but it was nearly 40 years ago now. Times have changed .
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You make some really good points there. I'm certainly not in the 'Gibson Out' camp but I dont think he should be immune from criticism either.

The season ticket prices set by Gibson are the 2nd highest in the league behind Norwich. We're currently in the bottom 3 going into the international break with the 2 teams below us having games in hand. People are absolutely not getting value for money here.

We've sold our best midfielder (too cheaply) and not replaced him with a player who has similar attributes. We've signed Matt Clarke who is a centre back not accustomed to playing the way Wilder wants him to and he looks very uncomfortable on the ball.

We have ZERO creativity in that midfield, if teams nullify our threat with Jones and Giles we look void of ideas.

We've finally signed a top striker in Muniz who I'm confident would get 20 goals a season with good players around him but he looks isolated up top.

Wilder will no doubt be the scapegoat and inevitably lose his job if this form continues but the people at the top need to take a good look at themselves.
 
parmoboy said:
Wilder didn't want us to sign development strikers, he wanted Larsen, however there was no chance of us spending that amount of money on one player.

In hindsight, maybe Wilder should have left in the summer and a manager should have come in who was prepared to work according to the club's model.
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Wilder didn't want us to sign development strikers - How do you know that?
however there was no chance of us spending that amount of money on one player - We made several offers up to our maximum valuation. If we continued to increase the offer til we got him and he turned out to be part of this under achieving team, many people would be saying "why did we pay that for him? Bauser out"
 
Boroboyyo said:
After watching this I’m pretty certain wilder won’t see things out till Christmas , never mind the end of the season

Wilder is just the scapegoat though . I will continue to say this because I think it’s true , but these two are to blame for where we are.

If it’s not hiring incompetent “managers” like woodgate it’s continuous transfer windows where we leave everything till the last minute . What is alarming to me as well, is we seem to also purchase players the managers don’t want. This was also happening under the karanka era too , but we’re now adopting the model of buy young and cheap and sell on for more . What baffles me though is we hire managers who don’t share that philosophy . Wilder and Warnock are known to prefer experience, so why buy two young strikers for him ? Why buy payero when it is evident Warnock didn’t want him ? They’re not going to get a lot of game time so their valuation will go down and we sell for little . Spence didn’t even improve his valuation here. We also charge premier league prices for this **** too. What still angers me is he charges those obscene prices yet effectively gave up mid way through the premier league season and consigned us to relegation . That January transfer window was a F***ing abomination .

I appreciate we’re not going to on the main radar of rich owners but I honestly think Gibson ( and especially bausors ) should put the feelers out for a buyer and put the club up for sale . We’re a medium sized club with good potential to have a sustained period in the premier league with the right backers. I know he saved the club and I’m eternally grateful for that , but it was nearly 40 years ago now. Times have changed .
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"Wilder and Warnock are known to prefer experience,..."

Absolutely not.
Chris wilder has consistently demonstrated his door is always open for younger players.
As for any other previous managers....they are history.

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Wilder keen to ensure pathway for talented youth in Boro academy

Chris Wilder discusses Middlesbrough's esteemed academy and the route to the first team
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Chris Wilder keen to ensure pathway exists for talented youngsters in Middlesbrough's academy​

Chris Wilder discusses Middlesbrough's esteemed academy and the route to the first team


Middlesbrough’s Josh Coburn applauds the travelling supporters

Middlesbrough’s Josh Coburn applauds the travelling supporters (Image: CameraSport - Andrew Kearns)


New Middlesbrough manager Chris Wilder is keen to ensure young academy footballers can see a pathway to the first-team under his command.

Wilder replaced Neil Warnock as Boro boss on Sunday and after posing for pictures and sitting down for a ten-minute club interview in which academy striker Josh Coburn was the only Boro player he specifically referenced, he then joined head of football Kieran Scott at that afternoon's under-23s game.

Graeme Lee's side may have lost 3-0 to Birmingham, but Wilder is well aware of the club's history of producing talented footballers from its Rockliffe academy base and is keen to ensure that continues during his tenure.

He said: “The area has always produced talented footballers, and it seems local boys want to play for this football club, which I am delighted about. Hopefully, we can dominate our area and I’m keen to ensure there is a link from the academy to the first team.

“I know young Josh has been playing recently, and Isaiah [Jones] and a couple of the other guys have had opportunities too.

"When I spoke to the young men at the Under-23s game on Sunday, I told them there is definitely a pathway for them to get in, but only if their attitude is right and they’re good enough. Hopefully, there will be some gems we can pick out of there.”

Wilder's comments will no doubt delight the Boro hierarchy who will have been aware of talk after Newcastle United's recent takeover that they plan to monopolise the north east by investing in their academy and infrastructure.

Some commentators have suggested Boro and Sunderland should be concerned about that, but Boro have a rich history of finding the best talent in Teesside and beyond and providing a pathway to the first team.

Already this season, as well as Coburn and Jones, Dael Fry, Djed Spence, William Kokolo, Connor Malley and Marcus Tavernier have all played league minutes having graduated through the youth academy, while four others played at Blackpool in the League Cup.

The academy can play a big part in Boro's new long-term vision for the club, with Wilder noting that clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford who, with the right vision and right work ethic, far exceeded their expectations, are the clubs Boro should look to emulate now.

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Chris Wilder (Image: Middlesbrough FC)

Wilder said: “You’ve got to affect what you can affect, control what you can control.

“You look at teams like Brentford or Bournemouth, who have found themselves in the Premier League - they’ve got there for a reason.

“We have a unique football pyramid, and if you’re a big football club that just rests on its laurels and thinks it’s a given and a guarantee, then things happen and you start sliding.

"Going the other way, the beauty of the pyramid is that with a lot of hard work and a lot of expertise and people who are committed and passionate, you can find yourself as one of these clubs that has done what Brentford and Bournemouth have done, finding themselves in arguably the best division in Europe.”

Wilder has signed an initial two-and-a-half-year contract at Boro, taking him up until the end of the 2023-24 season.

But both manager and club hope that this is a far longer project together than that.

I’ve worked passionately and been fully committed to all of the jobs I’ve had," Wilder said. "I just get my head down and work as hard as I possibly can for the club that employs me.

"I’ve never been one to try and create a pathway for myself. Of course, I’ve wanted to work at the highest level and I’ve managed to do that and I want to do that now. I want to do that with Middlesbrough. That’s my ambition now.

"I’ve never looked and thought I’ll have two years here and then two years there and I’ll bounce into that job. That’s a dangerous game to play and something I’ve never done.”
 
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