Kids football cancelled

I am absolutely sure you would Mart, but sadly I'm not sure that would be the case at Liverpool where they boo the national anthem, or at Celtic. It would only have taken one bad reaction to have created a storm. The pro schedule should have been postponed.
I certainly feel for all those who have sunk good money into following their team this weekend. There will be a lot of money lost.

As for the kids, I don't see why it would have been dis-respectful to play this weekend. If there is "national mourning" until the state funeral, but they play next weekend, I'm not sure of the distinction. I think on balance it was fine for them to play.

On a very separate note it is pretty sad if the only alternative for kids who are missing a football match, is to go onto screens.
I'm sneaking in a kick about with mine. Risking a fine if anyone sees us.
 
still don't get how not going to football is a mark of respect. Surely going to football and showing respect is a sign of respect. Not having football is an abscence of opportunity to show respect. What will people do instead, well a good number will go get hammered, some will vomit, some will fight, and some will have a one night stand to show their respect
BM to answer your question - In general in the UK, people have the freedom to do what they like within the law. but to me this weekend I am sacrificing my football as a sign of respect. To me its a bigger sacrifice than an one minute silence. If others want to vomit etc as said that is their choice as long as they avoid doing it over my shoes.:(
 
BM to answer your question - In general in the UK, people have the freedom to do what they like within the law. but to me this weekend I am sacrificing my football as a sign of respect. To me its a bigger sacrifice than an one minute silence. If others want to vomit etc as said that is their choice as long as they avoid doing it over my shoes.:(
That's fair enough, but that sacrifice is being forced upon people who don't feel the same way.

How many would have sacrificed the match to mourn had they gone ahead?
 
I am absolutely sure you would Mart, but sadly I'm not sure that would be the case at Liverpool where they boo the national anthem, or at Celtic. It would only have taken one bad reaction to have created a storm. The pro schedule should have been postponed.
I certainly feel for all those who have sunk good money into following their team this weekend. There will be a lot of money lost.

As for the kids, I don't see why it would have been dis-respectful to play this weekend. If there is "national mourning" until the state funeral, but they play next weekend, I'm not sure of the distinction. I think on balance it was fine for them to play.

On a very separate note it is pretty sad if the only alternative for kids who are missing a football match, is to go onto screens.

I think you’re right regarding some Celtic and Liverpool fans, but I think the cancelling of games will be counter productive if they’re hoping to stop them booing during any minutes silence. The minutes silences will still eventually happen and I think the response to them amongst certain fans will be much more negative because of the cancellations.
 
That's fair enough, but that sacrifice is being forced upon people who don't feel the same way.

How many would have sacrificed the match to mourn had they gone ahead?
The game is postponed (moved) not cancelled, as far as I am aware.

Refs and Police safety committees postpone games too, and fans are often unhappy, but its about balance. Young fans often don't mind walking on ice and snow to get to a game, but old people generally do worry.

The point on rugby is a decent one, surprised they went ahead today. Racing and Test Cricket actually cancelled Friday's fixtures.
 
That's fair enough, but that sacrifice is being forced upon people who don't feel the same way.

How many would have sacrificed the match to mourn had they gone ahead?
Exactly this.

If people feel the need to make a "sacrifice" (whatever that is supposed to achieve) then that's up to them. They can crack on, whatever helps them sleep.

It's the enforcing the "sacrifice" on everyone else that's the problem.

But then this country is quite big on forcing others to suffer for the stupid decisions/beliefs of a minority, so I shouldn't be surprised.
 
Bollox on both counts.

I'm as staunch a republican as you can get, I would have kept my mouth shut as I have for every minutes silence I've ever attended.
They should have called you up. Sir. I understand you are a staunch republican. Would you disrespect the minute of silence? No? Great we will carry on this weekend then.
 
The game is postponed (moved) not cancelled, as far as I am aware.

Refs and Police safety committees postpone games too, and fans are often unhappy, but its about balance. Young fans often don't mind walking on ice and snow to get to a game, but old people generally do worry.

The point on rugby is a decent one, surprised they went ahead today. Racing and Test Cricket actually cancelled Friday's fixtures.
I know about football fixtures and safety etc. I've spent three hours this morning making good a ground because the football authorities have decided that the gravel used in parts of the ground for years is now considered to be dangerous, and by that they mean it can be thrown about, not unsafe to stand on.

You talk of balance but this has nothing to do with balance, and there's nothing unsafe about playing football after the death of a head of state.
 
BM to answer your question - In general in the UK, people have the freedom to do what they like within the law. but to me this weekend I am sacrificing my football as a sign of respect. To me its a bigger sacrifice than an one minute silence. If others want to vomit etc as said that is their choice as long as they avoid doing it over my shoes.:(
You have no choice to sacrifice it because it's forced on you. True sacrifice would have been for the games to go ahead and you choose not to go and sacrifice your game. The FA have stolen that opportunity of sacrifice from you and enforced that sacrifice on people who don't want it....that's wrong on every level
 
By balance I meant for and against in situations when they is no ideal that pleases the whole country. Going ahead as normal when the UK's head of state has died after serving for 70 years is no ordinary event, to me anyway. Elizabeth Windsor was a high profile monarch and her death has affected millions of people, possibly tens of millions, certainly not a small minority of the UK population. Some people wanted to reflect on that and give respects by not doing what they would normally do. Ok others want things to stay the same and are maybe not bothered at all about her death.

Postponing professional football for 2 days (I am totally puzzled why totally amateur stuff was cancelled) could be seen as a balance, between postponing/cancelling it for 11 days and doing nothing different at all. As a keen supporter of the Boro I would have been OK for the game to go ahead today, with a minutes silence, but I take on board the views of people who don't regularly attend football games and people who maybe do go to a lot of games but have differing views to me i.e. wanted all sporting events cancelled for 11 days.

I don't like it when Sky cancel games and move them to other days (often at quite short notice) and my guess over 90% of Boro fans who go to games don't, but we have to accept it. The inconvenience is balanced against the revenue received by MFC from Sky (not a lot compared with audiences neither for our games).
 
By balance I meant for and against in situations when they is no ideal that pleases the whole country. Going ahead as normal when the UK's head of state has died after serving for 70 years is no ordinary event, to me anyway. Elizabeth Windsor was a high profile monarch and her death has affected millions of people, possibly tens of millions, certainly not a small minority of the UK population. Some people wanted to reflect on that and give respects by not doing what they would normally do. Ok others want things to stay the same and are maybe not bothered at all about her death.

Postponing professional football for 2 days (I am totally puzzled why totally amateur stuff was cancelled) could be seen as a balance, between postponing/cancelling it for 11 days and doing nothing different at all. As a keen supporter of the Boro I would have been OK for the game to go ahead today, with a minutes silence, but I take on board the views of people who don't regularly attend football games and people who maybe do go to a lot of games but have differing views to me i.e. wanted all sporting events cancelled for 11 days.

I don't like it when Sky cancel games and move them to other days (often at quite short notice) and my guess over 90% of Boro fans who go to games don't, but we have to accept it. The inconvenience is balanced against the revenue received by MFC from Sky (not a lot compared with audiences neither for our games).
Clubs, Leagues, offiicials etc also wanted to show their respect by postponing a game. Parents of my boys in my junior team didnt want the game to be played, they didn't expect the game to be played tomorrow, the boys understood why the game is off. As you point out, this was no ordinary event, it was a extrordinary one of cultural and historical signiificance that erffects millions of people.

We wil still get our games of ninety minutes, or in junior football as short as forty minutes.
 
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Already thought the decision to cancel PL and EFL games was the wrong one but this has just about tipped me over the edge. My three kids had four games this weekend including my 6yo playing his first game which he was so excited for. It's such a big part of their lives, why take away their fun. Especially when looks like the funeral next weekend is likely to disrupt it all again. As said above all I'll be getting badgered for now is time on the screens. Ridiculous
same sketch here mate. Told my 6 year old that his Friday night training was off and that his first ever game on Sunday was cancelled. He actually started crying.

I kind of have a foot In both camps on this. Either side of the argument makes sense to me, but I'm gutted for my boy.

I told him that he's doing the player walk out at the Cardiff game though, and that cheered him up.
(he is doing that by the way, it wasn't just a cruel ruse to cheer him up!)
 
Clubs, Leagues, offiicials etc also wanted to show their respect by postponing a game.
How do you show your respect by not doing something?

What did you do today, instead, that in any way showed respect more than a minutes silence at the match would have done?

Staunch royalists may well have wanted to do something specific but I shouldn't be forced to change all my plans for them.

Making a sacrifice should involve some form of sacrifice. Choosing to miss the game out of respect would be sacrifice. Not going because the game was postponed isn't.

Forcing people to sacrifice their travel and hotel costs against their will is authoritarian bolx.
 
If you asked me a week ago I was pro monarchy. I thought they did more good than bad for the country. But after the "know your place' and "do as we tell you' stuff on here and tv over the last week, I can clearly see they are a disaster for their subjects in this country.
Time for them to go. Time for a referendum
Oh bless.
 
How do you show your respect by not doing something?

What did you do today, instead, that in any way showed respect more than a minutes silence at the match would have done?

Staunch royalists may well have wanted to do something specific but I shouldn't be forced to change all my plans for them.

Making a sacrifice should involve some form of sacrifice. Choosing to miss the game out of respect would be sacrifice. Not going because the game was postponed isn't.

Forcing people to sacrifice their travel and hotel costs against their will is authoritarian bolx.
 
Clubs, Leagues, offiicials etc also wanted to show their respect by postponing a game.
How do you know this? They've shown respect for all kind of things before and the protocol is a minutes applause (or silence)

Parents of my boys in my junior team didnt want the game to be played
I run a team and am a member of the committee for the club with 21 teams across the age groups, absolutely no call for it to be cancelled by parents. Not one request to the comittee members or coaches. I'm sure the odd one here and there would like to, but the general sense is one of disappointment from parents.

the boys understood why the game is off.
Weird because I was with my team training as the news came through on Thursday, the chairman was with me and the secretary was pinging us that there were rumours that it could be cancelled. So we discussed the subject with the boys, they were a mix of annoyed, gutted and angry.

We wil still get our games of ninety minutes, or in junior football as short as forty minutes.
90mins and we will be at least 1 game down and maybe more, because we play friendlies in spare weeks.
 
How do you know this?
Because as a Manager and club offficial I receive the notifications from our club and league.
They've shown respect for all kind of things before and the protocol is a minutes applause (or silence)
The Queens death is not normal. The response from society reflects this.
I run a team and am a member of the committee for the club with 21 teams across the age groups, absolutely no call for it to be cancelled by parents.

I am a officiial for 22 male junior teams, 8 female junior teams, and three disability teams and read e mails to the contrary. Understanding throughout the club of why games would be off out of respect.
Weird because I was with my team training as the news came through on Thursday, the chairman was with me and the secretary was pinging us that there were rumours that it could be cancelled. So we discussed the subject with the boys, they were a mix of annoyed, gutted and angry.
And that would be hardly representative of anything except a narrow representation of one club.
90mins and we will be at least 1 game down and maybe more, because we play friendlies in spare weeks.
Junior football games are forty (U7) to eighty minutes (U16). Leagues will not be a game down.
 
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