Graeme Souness

its political correctness gone mad
Reopen the workhouses
Persecute the minorities
Close the shutters of the mind
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I'm broadly in agreement but until we are no longer institutionally racist positive discrimination is needed.
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No it isn't. Positive discrimination is discrimination and it doesn't fix anything. It is a sticking plaster, and doesn't address the root cause.

95% of the reasons that minorities are disadvantaged is because they come from a poor family/area. It is no different to white working class kids. All positive discrimination does, especially in the context of board representation etc is swap the white working class kids done good for rich minorities who's parents were doctors/lawyers etc. It makes people feel better (and businesses look "diverse") because they can tick the box that they now have x number of black/lgbt/female board members/employees etc but the poor kids (of all demographics) still have no chance of getting there. There is now only representation from one class.

We need policies that address the root cause of class being such a distinct advantage. By default that would improve things for minorities as well. All positive discrimination does is stack people by demographics and because white male is the one that is over-represented then that is the one that loses out. Box ticking for white males means that only the ones from privileged backgrounds will succeed and so white, working class males end up further down the pecking order.
 
Man talks nonsense most of the time so I tend not to listen to him anyway .
On this occasion It's just someone wanting to cause controversy over nothing really
 
I suspect if he'd been commenting on a women's game he'd have said: "it's a woman's game" as in - at the highest level it isn't a game for girls / boys.. grown up adult football..
 
Where's that clip of the comedy sketch on BBC, the one with the policeman repeatedly apologising for "offending" everyone.

Quite apt.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Chris Kamara and Don Goodman didn't play many top flight games if any. But its a spurious argument anyway. How many failed managers comment on managemennt on tv these days. Just because you werent an exponent doesnt bar you from passing judgement in a TV role.
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Don Goodman doesn't sit in the studio during Super Sunday on premier league games.

Anyway, you are missing my point - I'm not saying you should have played in the premier league, I'm saying that sky clearly do.

Sky clearly only let male pundits who have played in the top tier in the studio on super Sunday. They would never have some bloke who has only played league 1 as a pundit next to Souness.

It's undoubtedly tokenism from Sky.
 
TheHolgate said:
Don Goodman doesn't sit in the studio during Super Sunday on premier league games.

Anyway, you are missing my point - I'm not saying you should have played in the premier league, I'm saying that sky clearly do.

Sky clearly only let male pundits who have played in the top tier in the studio on super Sunday. They would never have some bloke who has only played league 1 as a pundit next to Souness.

It's undoubtedly tokenism from Sky.
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100%. I don't agree with the idea that only players that have played at the top level should be pundits but that is clearly the system that Sky operate. The premise of the pundit is that they are an expert because they understand and can relate what is happening to their own experience. The women clearly don't have that experience. They have mostly played a very low standard in front of no fans. Tactics in the women's game are very different to the men's as well.

Some of the female pundits are good, a lot of the men are dreadful. Evidently, there is no requirement to have played at the top level to offer the lack of insight and misunderstanding of the laws of the game that most of the pundits offer but they have the system they have and including someone that doesn't fit the bill, just because they are women, is definitely tokenism.
 
Well I suppose the idea of an expert pundit is that they’ve been there and done it. Off the top of my head, they did have Eddie Howe and Roberto Martinez on a few times, who I don’t think played top level football


But, It’s hardly unique to sky… match of the day has been like that as far back as I can remember…. Trevor Brooking, Alan Hansen etc
 
Alexander Supertramp said:
Well I suppose the idea of an expert pundit is that they’ve been there and done it. Off the top of my head, they did have Eddie Howe and Roberto Martinez on a few times, who I don’t think played top level football


But, It’s hardly unique to sky… match of the day has been like that as far back as I can remember…. Trevor Brooking, Alan Hansen etc
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My perfect punditry team would be Michael Ricketts and Mohammed Shawky. Been there, done it and got the T-shirt.
 
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