Graeme Souness

viv_andersons_nana said:
What are people so worked up about? We might just have to make small, incremental changes to our language at times. And by the way, it’s happening whether you like it or not. Don’t be so uptight about it.

I don’t think Souness should be sacked or hauled across the coals, but you can’t tell me that production staff won’t have briefed him and all the other pundits on things like terminology. He knows exactly what he’s doing when he talks about a man’s game, played by men, when he’s got a woman sitting next to him on live television. He’s no mug.

You can say ‘man on’ on the field. ‘He’s beat his man too easily’. ‘Pick your man up.’ ‘Man marking.’ Has anyone ever said you can’t or shouldn’t say those things? But there’s a different between that and sitting in a television studio talking about it being a man’s game. Souness knows this full well.
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I think people are rightly worked up when there’s talk of someone on social media wanting him sacked or reprimanded when he hasn’t done anything wrong. His terminology was in reference to the mens game he had just witnessed and it looked like a great fiery game. He was comparing men to boys not men to women so he’s spot on.
 
I love how so annoyed men are by the presence of women in and around football! It’s great.

“She’s a terrible pundit.” You hear this sort of thing said quite often. Have you ever heard Stephen Warnock or Jason Roberts or the hundreds of other terrible male pundits? Being a bad pundit isn’t exclusive to women.

What people seem to be saying is that they don’t want women anywhere near men’s football. Which just sounds a bit… well, weak. A bit pathetic. A bit precious. And if you don’t want women in men’s football, well just don’t watch it. But I have a sense that some of those moaning about ‘box ticking’ or whatever else are just been a little bit sexist but are too afraid to say women should be in the kitchen or putting the kids to bed.

The world is changing. You might have to start thinking about moderating or tweaking your language in certain situations, especially if you’re a big-name pundit on the weekend’s premier football broadcast. It’s not hard.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I love how so annoyed men are by the presence of women in and around football! It’s great.

“She’s a terrible pundit.” You hear this sort of thing said quite often. Have you ever heard Stephen Warnock or Jason Roberts or the hundreds of other terrible male pundits? Being a bad pundit isn’t exclusive to women.

What people seem to be saying is that they don’t want women anywhere near men’s football. Which just sounds a bit… well, weak. A bit pathetic. A bit precious. And if you don’t want women in men’s football, well just don’t watch it. But I have a sense that some of those moaning about ‘box ticking’ or whatever else are just been a little bit sexist but are too afraid to say women should be in the kitchen or putting the kids to bed.

The world is changing. You might have to start thinking about moderating or tweaking your language in certain situations. It’s not hard.
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Who has said women shouldn’t be involved with mens football?
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
You can say ‘man on’ on the field. ‘He’s beat his man too easily’. ‘Pick your man up.’ ‘Man marking.’ Has anyone ever said you can’t or shouldn’t say those things? But there’s a different between that and sitting in a television studio talking about it being a man’s game. Souness knows this full well.
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The problem is, it won't be long until we can't say those things.

Look at cricket with 'Batsmen'...can't say that anymore.

It's genuinely pathetic this is even a topic of discussion.
 
I largely don't see the problem, he was commentating on a mens game of football.

I suppose the bigger problem is that he's inferring that players were being weak, and needed to be stronger (stronger than kids or women I suppose), some may not like that either, but men are generally stronger than kids and women, and kids and women don't play in the men's Premier League.

Shearer said "Man Utd were ****ed", I suppose that's much worse, but I'm not that bothered about that either.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
“She’s a terrible pundit.” You hear this sort of thing said quite often. Have you ever heard Stephen Warnock or Jason Roberts or the hundreds of other terrible male pundits? Being a bad pundit isn’t exclusive to women.
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Male pundits are called out for being terrible all the time and have been since as far as I can remember. I’m not sure if there is one that is universally liked.

There are plenty of good female pundits, Emma Hayes being one of the best, Alex Scott another, there are also some who aren’t just like there are plenty of crap male pundits. Leanne Sanderson for me is one of the worst.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I love how so annoyed men are by the presence of women in and around football! It’s great.

“She’s a terrible pundit.” You hear this sort of thing said quite often. Have you ever heard Stephen Warnock or Jason Roberts or the hundreds of other terrible male pundits? Being a bad pundit isn’t exclusive to women.

What people seem to be saying is that they don’t want women anywhere near men’s football. Which just sounds a bit… well, weak. A bit pathetic. A bit precious. And if you don’t want women in men’s football, well just don’t watch it. But I have a sense that some of those moaning about ‘box ticking’ or whatever else are just been a little bit sexist but are too afraid to say women should be in the kitchen or putting the kids to bed.

The world is changing. You might have to start thinking about moderating or tweaking your language in certain situations, especially if you’re a big-name pundit on the weekend’s premier football broadcast. It’s not hard.
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Constantly repeating how much you love how “annoyed” people are, still doesn’t mean that people are actually annoyed.



Well, apart from Eni Aluko. She just needs to man up. I mean, person up
 
MolteniArcore said:
It's him saying "We have got our football back" that is the problem I think. It implies that now the woman's football is over we have the proper mens game back.
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I don't think so (or it shouldn't be a problem), they say that every year when the season starts again, it's only the second week.

Just the same old pundits saying the same old things they've said every year, I don't think it's that bad, and some of the Twitter comments making a massive deal out of it are way OTT.
 
TheYorkshireTerrier said:
Male pundits are called out for being terrible all the time and have been since as far as I can remember. I’m not sure if there is one that is universally liked.
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Agree with this.
Jamie Redknapp, Garth Crooks, Jamie O'Hara, Andy Gray - I could name many, many more - all get slated.

It's not just women pundits.

But then again, that doesn't fit the narrative.
 
RedAsABeetroot said:
Perhaps the best way to resolve "issues" like this is to have male pundits and commentators on the men's games and female pundits and commentators on the women's games
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How would that help with this situation? Are you under the impression the likes of Aluko and Beth England only watch football to see women pundits and not the actual matches themselves? 🤣:unsure:
 
Just another sign of the increasingly soft world we live in.

Just wait to see how real adversity may start to bite over the coming years, then see how much people will care about this sort of nonsense.
 
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