National Rail Strike

I see the useless Redcar MP and lover of all thing De Pfeffel is trying to pick a fight with Andy McDonald about the train strikes. Does he not realise that his government are also part of the negotiations.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Rail travel is down 30% and still they are making a profit.
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Subsidised:

Just come across this, not me.

“ Travel from N Yorkshire to Bristol in a couple of weeks time - £275 train in advance singles, £467 for flexible return, or £48 easyJet from Newcastle in a fraction of the time. This is bonkers. We need to do something differently for sustainability”
 
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I'm on a packed train traveling between Nuremberg and Munich. High quality train and it's not the ICE, it's a regional train.

Yesterday we did the same but to Bamberg, tremendous service each way.

This in a country that lost more hours to strikes during the 'era of discontent' in 70s but chose to negotiate with their trade unions rather than seek conflict.

This month's travel is costing a total of €9 per person.
 
Randy said:
But everyone can't 'afford' to do it. Granted not everyone can afford to keep going down the path we are currently on.
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and thats the 'great money trick' - go read the book - 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist' by Robert Tressell - explains it all.

better still get your kids to read it when they become teenagers- so that they know and understand from an early age.
 
Strikes / protests rarely do much. People tend to stand up and listen when demos turn violent and mass civil disobedience kicks off.

And with it being summer, nice weather.......perfect ingredients for riots. Not condoning this action one bit, but society seems to be a volatile powder keg at present, just waiting for someone or something to light the match.

I totally agree withe the action and reasoning behind the RMT action. Certainly much more than "well paid train drivers strike" the RWM and Government are leading people to believe. Sad the country has to resort to this strike action but that's where we are.
 
Make no mistake, The Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers are Johnson`s National Union of Mineworkers.
Like the miners - the RMT are now at the leadership of struggle and Johnson wants to destroy them, along with Unite, the Postal Workers, Teachers and Communications Workers.
With the "Summer of Discontent" looming large - Johnson will use the force of Law to destroy any organised fight-back against austerity and Tory attacks on workers rights, pay and conditions.
But, if we learnt anything from the Miners strike - it was the traitors and the chameleons in the Labour and Trade Union movement who sabotaged the strike.
If this time - they try the same again - they may find its a different story...

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Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I'm on a packed train traveling between Nuremberg and Munich. High quality train and it's not the ICE, it's a regional train.

Yesterday we did the same but to Bamberg, tremendous service each way.

This in a country that lost more hours to strikes during the 'era of discontent' in 70s but chose to negotiate with their trade unions rather than seek conflict.

This month's travel is costing a total of €9 per person.
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Our railways are crap because the system is old, built in the 1800s a lot of it.
We had things running quite well 10 years ago then Chris Grayling for political reasons decided to increase the number of trains which predictably caused gridlock.
More carriages would have been the answer to overcrowding, unfortunately lack of investment in mainline stations such as thirsk, where the platform is too short, and only 3 carriages can disembark !
The railways should be invested in and subsidised by car tax like in other advanced countries.
if fares were cheaper more people would use the railway.
 
r00fie1 said:
Make no mistake, The Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers are Johnson`s National Union of Mineworkers.
Like the miners - the RMT are now at the leadership of struggle and Johnson wants to destroy them, along with Unite, the Postal Workers, Teachers and Communications Workers.
With the "Summer of Discontent" looming large - Johnson will use the force of Law to destroy any organised fight-back against austerity and Tory attacks on workers rights, pay and conditions.
But, if we learnt anything from the Miners strike - it was the traitors and the chameleons in the Labour and Trade Union movement who sabotaged the strike.
If this time - they try the same again - they may find its a different story...

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The major difference is that the Rail Union is not led by the most inept Union Leader of all time. Scargill had the good grace to tell Thatcher a year before the strike he was going to have one, she went out and filled the country stocks with imported coal, he did not have a vote, he split the union in half.

The Rail Union Leader has strength and playing a blinder.
 
Same_as_before said:
The major difference is that the Rail Union is not led by the most inept Union Leader of all time. Scargill had the good grace to tell Thatcher a year before the strike he was going to have one, she went out and filled the country stocks with imported coal, he did not have a vote, he split the union in half.

The Rail Union Leader has strength and playing a blinder.
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There are 2 unions the RMT who's leader you are referring, and the less militant TESSA who have also voted to strike.
This is because the government have refused network rail any rise for the last 3 years. Today Grantt Schapps lied saying there had been no negotiations.
Also the government condemned P &O for sacking workers and replacing them with agency staff. Yet they are doing the same thing on the railways. You won't read that in the Daily mail.
 
You are mistaking me for someone else, see my responses above I am very pro the Rail Union, I think they will get the terms they want.

For the record I read The Sunday Times once a month, The Irish equivalent once a month and Private Eye.

Apart from that I am down to my phone.
 
Same_as_before said:
The major difference is that the Rail Union is not led by the most inept Union Leader of all time. Scargill had the good grace to tell Thatcher a year before the strike he was going to have one, she went out and filled the country stocks with imported coal, he did not have a vote, he split the union in half.

The Rail Union Leader has strength and playing a blinder.
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To be fair he was pretty adept at syphoning off the strike donations for home improvements to his house.
 
Same_as_before said:
You are mistaking me for someone else, see my responses above I am very pro the Rail Union, I think they will get the terms they want.

For the record I read The Sunday Times once a month, The Irish equivalent once a month and Private Eye.

Apart from that I am down to my phone.
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I wasn't having a go at all , sorry if it read thet way. Just adding my thoughts to the **** situation.
 
h_m_boro said:
Strikes / protests rarely do much. People tend to stand up and listen when demos turn violent and mass civil disobedience kicks off.

And with it being summer, nice weather.......perfect ingredients for riots. Not condoning this action one bit, but society seems to be a volatile powder keg at present, just waiting for someone or something to light the match.

I totally agree withe the action and reasoning behind the RMT action. Certainly much more than "well paid train drivers strike" the RWM and Government are leading people to believe. Sad the country has to resort to this strike action but that's where we are.
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When people come out with “are you condoning violence” I usually reply “ No, just stating a fact………How much was your “Poll Tax” last year”?
 
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