Is another statue being placed at the Riverside?

mitch_at_merseyside said:
Am I the only one that doesn't get the whole idea of a statue of Clough in Middlesbrough? Granted he was born here, and scored goals for us early in his career, but he moved on as a player and as a manager and is held in higher esteem in the East Midlands. It appears a bit desperate, latching onto the coat tails of one of the finest managers in English football. Besides, didn't Clough in the cup final build up want Leicester to win in 97? Just because he has fond memories of the town he was brought up in that helped shaped who he was as a human being, should not equate to a statue outside of a stadium I don't think he even visited? There is a plethora of former players and managers that are more fitting for such an honour. Off the top of my head, Juninho, Bruce Rioch, or George Camsell.
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Utter rubbish and reallyu quite ignorant of what he did and what he was.
Clough played 78% of his football career for Middlesbrough and scored 78% of his goals for us too; he didnt just play some matches in his early career for us.
Only two men in our history have scored more goals for us.
Camsell had 345 in 453 matches - phenomenal - and many of them in the top flight. He should have had a statue before George Hardwick.
George Elliott got 213 in 365 matches, but he was around WW1.
The great Brian Clough scored 204 in 222 matches. He got 38 more league goals in 202 fewer matches than John Hickton. He got 50 more than the great Fenton in 27 fewer league matches.
His goals per game ratio is 0.92, Camsell was 0.78, Fenton 0.61, Elliott 0.59, Hickton 0.38.

Had Clough not been shamefully forced out then he would have most likely have broken Camsell's record inside 4 seasons and fired Middlesbrough up, especially alongside Peacock.
It is the shameful Club back in that day that we should ask questions of, not Brian.

Brian Clough was most significantly a Middlesbrough player and a Nottingham Forest manager. He was a genius as both.
And some people question the appropriateness of a statue for him at the Club, yet want to talk about Bruce Rioch. Give over man.

It would be sad if we were jumping on to Don Revie, just because he was born in Middlesbrough. He never played for us, or managed us.
I do believe George Camsell would be even more deserving, but after that nobody comes close to Clough.
 
indeedido said:
Utter rubbish and reallyu quite ignorant of what he did and what he was.
Clough played 78% of his football career for Middlesbrough and scored 78% of his goals for us too; he didnt just play some matches in his early career for us.
Only two men in our history have scored more goals for us.
Camsell had 345 in 453 matches - phenomenal - and many of them in the top flight. He should have had a statue before George Hardwick.
George Elliott got 213 in 365 matches, but he was around WW1.
The great Brian Clough scored 204 in 222 matches. He got 38 more league goals in 202 fewer matches than John Hickton. He got 50 more than the great Fenton in 27 fewer league matches.
His goals per game ratio is 0.92, Camsell was 0.78, Fenton 0.61, Elliott 0.59, Hickton 0.38.

Had Clough not been shamefully forced out then he would have most likely have broken Camsell's record inside 4 seasons and fired Middlesbrough up, especially alongside Peacock.
It is the shameful Club back in that day that we should ask questions of, not Brian.

Brian Clough was most significantly a Middlesbrough player and a Nottingham Forest manager. He was a genius as both.
And some people question the appropriateness of a statue for him at the Club, yet want to talk about Bruce Rioch. Give over man.

It would be sad if we were jumping on to Don Revie, just because he was born in Middlesbrough. He never played for us, or managed us.
I do believe George Camsell would be even more deserving, but after that nobody comes close to Clough.
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Really? I love cloughie and yes that scoring record is phenomenal but is it statue worthy? I’m so proud he’s from the Boro and that should be celebrated, but his big achievements aren’t linked to the club, so it doesn’t seem right to me that the statue would be at the riverside. As others have mentioned, members of 86’ squad and Juninho would be ahead. But that’s just me.
 
Stampy’s_Dog said:
Really? I love cloughie and yes that scoring record is phenomenal but is it statue worthy? I’m so proud he’s from the Boro and that should be celebrated, but his big achievements aren’t linked to the club, so it doesn’t seem right to me that the statue would be at the riverside. As others have mentioned, members of 86’ squad and Juninho would be ahead. But that’s just me.
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He has a statue already as a young man on his way from home to work crossing Albert Park. I have asked the council exactly where we are at the moment with the statue being fixed.
Cloughie meant an awful lot to his generation in the town as did Camsell the generation before him. They were both incredible Boro number 9s. When I was at school we were brought up on tales of those great names from past. It makes you proud to know there were so many amazing players through the ages representing Middlesbrough.
 
Stampy’s_Dog said:
Really? I love cloughie and yes that scoring record is phenomenal but is it statue worthy? I’m so proud he’s from the Boro and that should be celebrated, but his big achievements aren’t linked to the club, so it doesn’t seem right to me that the statue would be at the riverside. As others have mentioned, members of 86’ squad and Juninho would be ahead. But that’s just me.
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Yes really.
If you don't get it, look harder.
His big playing achievements are at our club. He was a phenomenal striker.

Mannion, Hardwick, Camsell, Fenton, Maddren, Souness, Peacock...none of them played at The Riverside, yet 2 already have statues there.
So should we move the bloody statues over to Albert Park too ?
Of course not.

Quite simply, Brian Clough is a much much much bigger Boro figure than Bruce Rioch, Tony Mowbray or Bernie Slaven.
 
My Dad (born 1934) who supported the Boro until he died in 2019, said that Brian Clough was the best striker he ever saw. If it wasn’t for the (alleged) gambling and throwing of results (e.g. Charlton 6 Boro 6) then Boro would have won more during Cloughie’s time. (y)
 
indeedido said:
Yes really.
If you don't get it, look harder.
His big playing achievements are at our club. He was a phenomenal striker.

Mannion, Hardwick, Camsell, Fenton, Maddren, Souness, Peacock...none of them played at The Riverside, yet 2 already have statues there.
So should we move the bloody statues over to Albert Park too ?
Of course not.

Quite simply, Brian Clough is a much much much bigger Boro figure than Bruce Rioch, Tony Mowbray or Bernie Slaven.
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His biggest playing achievements were with us definitely. I’m asking are they statute worthy. I know it’s subjective. Just to me it’s not.
 
chickenrunner said:
Quite simply Bruce Rioch played a massive part in the survival and resurrection of Middlesbrough Football Club and don't you ever forget it.
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I need no prompting from you about the role Rioch played for three years at the club.
But he was no Brian Clough.
 
indeedido said:
I need no prompting from you about the role Rioch played for three years at the club.
But he was no Brian Clough.
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If you were writing a book about MFC since WW2 the period of Rioch's tenure would warrant greater space than Clough's 6 year spell, a period in the 2nd Division during which the club stagnated. As such I'd suggest that in terms of the club's fortunes Rioch is a more significant figure.

If you were writing a book about English football since WW2 Rioch wouldn't even be in it but Cloughie would.
 
chickenrunner said:
If you were writing a book about MFC since WW2 the period of Rioch's tenure would warrant greater space than Clough's 6 year spell, a period in the 2nd Division during which the club stagnated. As such I'd suggest that in terms of the club's fortunes Rioch is a more significant figure.

If you were writing a book about English football since WW2 Rioch wouldn't even be in it but Cloughie would.
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Let’s agree to disagree, it will save us both time.
 
I'm not sure about statues. It's a very decisive issue unless someone is very much head and shoulders above the rest, deserved of 'God-like status.' For example, look at the statues they are building at the Etihad. Do the likes of Aguero, Kompany, deserve a statue? In terms of the Boro, does Rioch deserve a statue more than McClaren or Southgate (as player). Probably all three don't warrant a statue. I think it's better to focus on the present and the future rather than the past.
 
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