a honest question

I feel OK about voting for the Tories in 2019 - but i'm not affiliated with any political party either way, they were just the 'best option' at the time

Brexit was always going to be a bit of a mess for a few years after officially leaving the EU, but in the long-run I think it will prove to be the right decision

Gas prices are going up across the world, the EU have issues with it, this isn't just a UK problem... the fuel crisis was essentially media-made - however paying British lorry drivers more money instead of relying on importing cheap labour from the EU, will be a good thing for British workers eventually - this is essentially what Brexit is about for the 'working classes' - stopping them having to compete with low-skilled workers coming in from the EU to do their jobs, thus reducing wages in the process

Of course Big Business will think this is a 'major issue' as it means they have to pay British workers a better wage, but like I said, in the long run I think it will be fine
 
Never voted for anyone , so far they have been rubbish, Covid was a game changer and brexit was always going to throw up problems. Labour would have been as bad, we have mediocre politicians that reflect our society, it’s the same with the police.
Absolutely nailed it there. Mediocre public servants reflect 100% the British public! I’d go as far as stating the British public are fecking idiots generally
 
"labour would have been as bad" nonsense people tell themselves because they realise they didn't stop the worst government of all time winning a landslide.

Labour may or may not have been rubbish. But they'd have to go some to get anywhere near the levels of self serving ineptitude we currently have to put up with. Labour could have been pretty poor and they'd still be much better than the alternative. Says a lot for media influence that people believe this nonsense.

Even if it was true, surely you at least punish the incumbent government then? Send a message: NOT F***ing GOOD ENOUGH. If the opposition get in and are just as bad, then you do the same to them.

By allowing them to remain in power you're basically saying "I'm ok with how **** you are". In which case don't moan when they continue to be just as inept and in fact take the corruption further and further because the public keep telling them to "carry on".
 
I feel OK about voting for the Tories in 2019 - but i'm not affiliated with any political party either way, they were just the 'best option' at the time

Brexit was always going to be a bit of a mess for a few years after officially leaving the EU, but in the long-run I think it will prove to be the right decision

Gas prices are going up across the world, the EU have issues with it, this isn't just a UK problem... the fuel crisis was essentially media-made - however paying British lorry drivers more money instead of relying on importing cheap labour from the EU, will be a good thing for British workers eventually - this is essentially what Brexit is about for the 'working classes' - stopping them having to compete with low-skilled workers coming in from the EU to do their jobs, thus reducing wages in the process

Of course Big Business will think this is a 'major issue' as it means they have to pay British workers a better wage, but like I said, in the long run I think it will be fine
Boris is saying he wants “working classes” paid more so they don’t have to compete with ‘low-skilled’ workers from the EU (therefore assuming working class = low skilled, but we’ll let that pass for now) but this puts the cost of goods up which nullifies the wage increase. It’s been done before it didn’t work.

Theres about a million job vacancies and about a million unemployed, since one isn’t filling the gap of the other,and it’s widely publicised, it’s reasonable to assume the unemployed, for whatever reason don’t want them jobs. Therefore to get the economy working again we need to fill a good percentage of those vacancies, and many are in healthcare and transport and the like. Why wouldn’t you use labour from Europe to sort the problem and if they’re cheap they also don’t feed into the inevitable inflation we‘re facing with this policies.
 
I have never voted Tory but can see why so many have in recent years. Until there is a real credible opposition then we are stuck with them, and they know it.
 
If you voted Labour and they got in, how would they be fairing today, no one knows. GE in a couple of years, if we are still here.
 
I have never voted Tory but can see why so many have in recent years. Until there is a real credible opposition then we are stuck with them, and they know it.
But the Tories are utterly inept but crucially, they lie through their back teeth to retain power with the willing backing of the written press and people fall for it
10 years of austerity and running down the police, nhs, education & benefits system to breaking point and they spin it as ‘really responsible fiscal governance’ utter lies and deceit to the point where I believe they are inherently evil
Unpatriotic isn’t even close
Heaping misery on millions
 
But the Tories are utterly inept but crucially, they lie through their back teeth to retain power with the willing backing of the written press and people fall for it
10 years of austerity and running down the police, nhs, education & benefits system to breaking point and they spin it as ‘really responsible fiscal governance’ utter lies and deceit to the point where I believe they are inherently evil
Unpatriotic isn’t even close
Heaping misery on millions
I fully agree. Great post.

Unfortunately the British political system is full of lies, deceit and corruption. The last Labour Government lied to the world about Iraq, costing thousands and thousands of lives. The Tories can’t help but lying costing thousands and thousands of lives. Nothing will change until there is complete political reform and there is a serious opposition.
 
Everyone will be hoodwinked at the next GE like they always are. All parties are in it for themselves.
Norfolk, can I ask what you think the average Labour prospective MP is actually " in it for", how do they expect to benefit for " themselves". Its certainly expected that every Tory MP will have 2nd income as well as sold his soul to some vested commercial interest.

The Tory Party are naturally Venal, its virtually written into their constitution.
They are “the devil take the hindmost” Party
It was founded by the landowning elite and is still ran by them.
Self interest and greed is seen as a desired characteristic By most of their MPs
To liken them to the Labour Party is ridiculous.

Ofcourse Labour will have some self interested individuals ( unfortunately more so at a local level), some in it for self aggrandisement but the essential reason for existence for the average Party member is one of social fairness and equality of hope.

“They are all the same“is a lazy and ignorant thing to say.
 
“They are all the same“is a lazy and ignorant thing to say.

It maybe ignorant but PLEASE show me a decent MP in any of them. At least Mercer took a stand against the NI injustice and supports the Armed Forces. I have no political views but see any of these shower of shoite in power regardless of party doing nothing for the layman, if you find any please elaborate. They stand and whinge about better pay for the common man but then give themselves a hefty pay rise. Blair should be in Jail but gets away with murder after sending troops to their death and look at him now still skimming the cream.
 
Anyone talking about cheap labour and wages is falling for Tory lies again.

It wasn't the EU that's responsible. It was a concept called Shareholder Value Maximisation. Britain and America are the two main countries of that. It's about increasing the dividend at all costs. Executive pay is tied in with that to encourage people in those positions to focus on that almost exclusively. Once a company reaches a point where it is selling as much good or services as possible it means cutting costs elsewhere. Close factories and make stuff in cheaper places, use freedom of movement to take skilled people from poorer countries and make them do the same job for less money. That increases profits, maintains the share price and allows the dividend to be paid.

It's convenient for the Brexit politicians to blame immigrants for lowering wages or taking jobs. In reality, it was their CEO mates, neolibralism and share holder value maximatisation that was responsible.

This country needs to wake up before the whole system is rigged forever.
 
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