Steve Turner PCC

Steve Turner initially denied it but has changed his story and issued an open letter giving his version of events.

He received a Police caution and resigned but wasn’t sacked, according to him.
 
Position has to be untenable surely?

Aside from the massive shithousery by the bloke from Coronation Street (who should have had the the courage to raise it without the protection of Parliamentary privilege, so tells you all you need to know about the character of the man) the initial response and subsequent backtracking surely means he has to go.
 
Accepting a police caution is admitting to criminal activity, if he follows his own maxim and believes that toughness on crime is the solution then he should resign, when I engaged with him on social media prior to his election he really did seem so far out of his depth and out of touch with the realities of modern policing that it was embarrassing, he quoted reports that directly contradicted his own position and argued against verifiable national trends in an attempt to force an agenda that the problems of Cleveland police were entirely down to mismanagement by the previous PCC.

He couldn't answer why when he was a UKIP member he campaigned for more police officers but then defended Government cut backs once he had changed rosettes, his campaign seemed to be based around his association with the local blue tinged zeitgeist of Houchen, Young and Clarke, and getting Brexit done somehow equates to having cogent policing policies for a force decimated in both numbers and morale.

The fact he has family members working in the offices of those mentioned above wasn't something that was mentioned in his campaign, nor the favours he pulled for a local millionaire businessman to get access to grants, nor was he vocal about his previous dealings with people and attendance of events with a far right bent.

The truth is that Mr Turner was never suitable for the £80k a year role of PCC, his political ambition outstrips his capabilities. The protection afforded him by his association and coat-tailing with high profile local political figures has meant that we've ended up in the situation we are in today, where the man responsible for Cleveland Police has had to resign from a previous job because of his own criminal activity.
 
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We've had people "resign" at our place when they have been stealing. It is easier than prosecution and doesn't drag the company name into the courts and newspapers.

So plainly he is a thief.

That said it was (I assume) some time ago and we really shouldn't be judging people on things they did in the past if they have subsequently become upstanding citizens. I think that should be a universal stance?
 
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We've had people "resign" at our place when they have been stealing. It is easier than prosecution and doesn't drag the company name into the courts and newspapers.

So plainly he is a thief.

That said it was (I assume) some time ago and we really shouldn't be judging people on things they did in the past if they have subsequently become upstanding citizens. I think that should be a universal stance?
know what you mean about not holding something against someone indefinitely (within reason…). But less than 24 hours ago he was denying this was true and threatening libel action. So not sure about that “upstanding citizen” bit!

and mention of him and far right involvement/relationships on Twitter at the moment.
 
The real issue here is the absolute catastrophe that the creation of PCC's have had on UK policing.

Politics and policing should never be conflated and we've had years of the local Tory MP's trying their best to torpedo Coppingers tenure and now Labour MP's trying to do the same for the current PCC.

It's quite frankly pathetic and ultimately to the absolute detriment to the people of Teesside that Cleveland Police are there to serve.

A waste of taxpayers money and the whole idea has been disastrous.
 
The real issue here is the absolute catastrophe that the creation of PCC's have had on UK policing.

Politics and policing should never be conflated and we've had years of the local Tory MP's trying their best to torpedo Coppingers tenure and now Labour MP's trying to do the same for the current PCC.

It's quite frankly pathetic and ultimately to the absolute detriment to the people of Teesside that Cleveland Police are there to serve.

A waste of taxpayers money and the whole idea has been disastrous.
I'm not sure it's fair to categorise an MP bringing up the criminal history of a sitting PCC as them trying to torpedo him - it's not simply a personal matter but something that strikes at the heart of whether he's a fit and proper person to be a PCC. It's a legitimate issue.
 
I'm not sure it's fair to categorise an MP bringing up the criminal history of a sitting PCC as them trying to torpedo him - it's not simply a personal matter but something that strikes at the heart of whether he's a fit and proper person to be a PCC. It's a legitimate issue.
And you think that he would have done so if the PCC was a Labour candidate? Come on!!!
 
It's a legitimate issue for him to raise, a PCC shouldn't have a criminal history.

Interesting the bluster from the PCC was all about it being untrue and demanding a retraction - only to come out and admit it is true.
I speak as someone who has been knee deep in the student union politics that have circulated the last two PCC's - it's quite frankly pathetic and ultimately a disservice to the people of Teesside that Cleveland Police, who are 'supported' by the PCC.
 
I speak as someone who has been knee deep in the student union politics that have circulated the last two PCC's - it's quite frankly pathetic and ultimately a disservice to the people of Teesside that Cleveland Police, who are 'supported' by the PCC.
Well I speak as someone who lives in the area covered by this PCC and I do not believe it to be pathetic or a disservice, on the contrary I believe it to be of great service when the PCC's criminal past is identified.

A PCC should not have a criminal history - cautions or convictions should at very least be disclosed so the public can determine their suitability fully. Hiding and lying about it makes the situation even worse.
 
Well I speak as someone who lives in the area covered by this PCC and I do not believe it to be pathetic or a disservice, on the contrary I believe it to be of great service when the PCC's criminal past is identified.

A PCC should not have a criminal history - cautions or convictions should at very least be disclosed so the public can determine their suitability fully. Hiding and lying about it makes the situation even worse.
Maybe it does, but the fact remains that this wasn't an example of public service by MacDonald, it was entirely designed to discredit the sitting conservative PCC - and I say this as someone who's politics is left leaning. Lets not dress this up as something it isn't.
 
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