Anyone think it feels similar to the end of Mogga’s tenure?

Just wondering. The team have some decent players, one or two real quality players in there. Lots of lads coming in and going out without much of a change for the better in terms of results. For no left back at the moment read Mogga having no right back and having to play Varga there.

We’re generally in every game but seem to be consistently coming out on the wrong side of key moments - a sloppy pass leads to a goal conceded, a missed chance, a sloppy piece of defending is punished. We play well in patches but not for long enough to win or take the pressure off the back half of the team.

We have been playing players out of position for years. After three transfer windows this manager is doing it, it’s madness. And inexcusable, IMO. You can point to injuries but every team has them and it doesn’t seem to destabilise them like it does us.

It just feels like we are treading water a bit. The defensive mistakes aren’t being ironed out on the training field, much like they weren’t under Mowbray. We seem to be on the wrong side of ‘fine margins’ too often for it to be a coincidence, or down to bad luck(whatever that is).

I just have an inkling that this is going the same way it did in Mogga’s last season.

Yeah, and at that time I felt like there was a moment where you realised it wasn’t going to end well. For me that was yesterday.

Also feels a bit like the next manager will get the real benefit of what Warnock did in terms of picking the club up by the scruff of the neck when it really needed it, much like Mowbray after Strachan. The next bloke will inherit a decent squad with room for manoeuvre in the transfer market.

Also checked this just now and we had 6 points from 6 games at the start of 2013/14 as well.

It's just the wrong fit. We've got a manager who is here for the short term and wants a short term fix but very rarely can you get where you want to be by building for the short term in the championship. Most of the successful sides are those who either come down, retain their players and bounce back or those who build a team and a playing style over a number of years.

I think the club realise this given the head of football coming in and a change of approach over transfers, but Gibson felt Warnock deserved the chance to go again after saving us and steadying the ship.

I do agree that the similarities are there with Mogga's last season. It just feels like Warnock is on borrowed time.

It's all fine margins and it can change with one game but it is concerning how poor our results have been this year.

We've only had such a low points tally at this point in the Championship twice before.
Under Woodgate and in Mowbray's last season.

More like the monk era for me good individuals but no coherent team pattern I can't believe how exposed we are when not in possession.I never thought under NW we would be so disorganised. We have got good attacking players I like the recruitment but we are lacking a midfield anchor and another decent centre half to play with Fry as well as cover in full back areas. I don't rate grant Hall at all and Lumley seems a pretty mediocre keeper as well.

Well sammy ameobi is here as well

allegedly

At the moment I compare the benchmark of Karankas's Championship Squad to our Squad and the quality has fell quite sharply in every position.

Glover_elbow said:

More like the monk era for me good individuals but no coherent team pattern I can't believe how exposed we are when not in possession.I never thought under NW we would be so disorganised. We have got good attacking players I like the recruitment but we are lacking a midfield anchor and another decent centre half to play with Fry as well as cover in full back areas.

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The lack of organisation and shape is even more surprising when you consider how strong and organised we were at the turn of the year. We were built on being hard to play against and not conceding, and gave little or nothing away. We were a strong unit, a tight squad working well together and a couple of sensible additions away from being a playoff team IMO. It’s just hard to fathom how we can go from that to this in such a short space of time.

Much like it was unfathomable how a defensive organiser, leader, captain like Mowbray couldn’t seem to sort our defence out as we made the same mistakes week after week.

Mogga did have a very bad second half of 2012/13 season. It wasn't just the start of 2013/14.

I was a bit surprised yesterday as I was expecting us to get a point on the Friday, but losing McNair and Bola I was not expecting.

It sounds like Gibson and Warnock have agreed that he'll have one more season or until the point where the playoffs are beyond us. In the meantime, I imagine Scott will be succession planning. I do think it would have been better to start completely afresh with a new coaching staff in the summer if we already knew we were getting a DoF and chasing players like Payero.

viv_andersons_nana said:

Also feels a bit like the next manager will get the real benefit of what Warnock did in terms of picking the club up by the scruff of the neck when it really needed it, much like Mowbray after Strachan. The next bloke will inherit a decent squad with room for manoeuvre in the transfer market.

Also checked this just now and we had 6 points from 6 games at the start of 2013/14 as well.

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I've often voiced my support of NW coming to manage our football club, over a few years, even to the point of saying he was my favourite manager who has never managed us, until now & when he came I was buzzing, he then achieved the unexpected & kept us up
As much as I love the bloke & want him to succeed as much as Mogga & the late, great Willie Maddren, I just think it won't end well, as with Mogga, fans will start to turn on NW & all these nice, kind words he's always said about the clubs fans will go out the window if he's forced to walk away

I hope & prey the fortunes of the club turn & we challenge at the right end of the table, sadly, at present it doesn't look so

Have faith
The team will learn to succeed having failed.

Erimus74 said:

I've often voiced my support of NW coming to manage our football club, over a few years, even to the point of saying he was my favourite manager who has never managed us, until now & when he came I was buzzing, he then achieved the unexpected & kept us up
As much as I love the bloke & want him to succeed as much as Mogga & the late, great Willie Maddren, I just think it won't end well, as with Mogga, fans will start to turn on NW & all these nice, kind words he's always said about the clubs fans will go out the window if he's forced to walk away

I hope & prey the fortunes of the club turn & we challenge at the right end of the table, sadly, at present it doesn't look so

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Totally agree with your sentiments, but there is a certain cohort of posters on here who’ve had the knives out for Warnock since day one. We’re six games into the season and some on here think it’s the end of the world, new players need to settle in, give them and the manager a little more time to get it sorted. God, I’ve supported the Boro for over 50 years and have seen far worse than what I’ve watched in the first six games!!!

Towards the end of the game (still 1-0) we were struggling for attacking impetus.
The ball was rolled back to the Lumley for yet another mighty hoof (despite there being players in space for other options)

The 'Boo' that followed from many in the away crowd seemed significant.
As if it carried a bit more emotion and volume than the usual frustrated reaction.
The feeling that supporters getting a bit sick and tired of our uncoordinated and limited approach at times.
Especially as Coventry seemed to out-play us for about 80% of the game with some decent stuff.

It didn't help that less than 5 minutes later they broke forward and scored a second.
I and my mates and many others immediately streamed towards the exit.

Not sure how much game time was left....but I wouldn't be surprised if less than half were in the ground at the final whistle?

I think many of us travelled with high hopes of what a 'new look' Boro might look like.
What do they say 'It's the hope that kills you'
To be far I thought Siliki and Sporar made quite exciting cameo appearances.

Doncaster Smoggie said:

Totally agree with your sentiments, but there is a certain cohort of posters on here who’ve had the knives out for Warnock since day one. We’re six games into the season and some on here think it’s the end of the world, new players need to settle in, give them and the manager a little more time to get it sorted. God, I’ve supported the Boro for over 50 years and have seen far worse than what I’ve watched in the first six games!!!

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Completely agree. Of course it could all go wrong and a good few on here will be vocal about how right they were, but I’m not stressing just yet. Things need to start improving soon, we weren’t great the last half of the previous season, but there are some mitigating circumstances that in my opinion buys a bit more time for now and I’m keeping my powder dry for a wee while longer.

My initial reaction was that the difference between Mogga's final few games and now, is that NW/the club has brought in some real quality, at significant investment - Mogga didn't have a lot of cash to spare, although that team that was posted from his final game was half decent and there was a bit of cash spent on it.

Funny how the memory frames things, but the reality of this one is that Viv has made an interesting (and potentially accurate) comparison.

We have had the experience of having two of the more notorious football mangers of the last 30 years.
Pulis and Warnock.
Both came with 'baggage' regarding their methods - but at least Gibbo has given us the chance of seeing our team playing under gaffers everyone has heard of.

Call me naiive but I like to think the best of people.
I remembered Pulis from his successful time at Stoke and the good job he did at Crystal Palace.
Warnock we know from our tussles with Notts County in the play-offs many moons ago.
(I know both have had bad spells at Clubs too)

The final days of Woodgate's tenure was terrifying.
Teams were getting behind us and scoring at will - we were leaking like a sieve.
I was pleased the keys were handed over to an experienced hand to keep us up.

The full season after was weird....hardly any close season so it kind of rolled on straight after that 'mini-season' that saw us nearly relegated.
I think it felt that anything was acceptable as long as we got 'put back together' into some kind of shape.
Christmas window brought in some crocs and misfits......but we never got the 'big number 9' a Warnock team needs.

Not sure where this rambling post is going

But the most apt phrase is 'treading water'.
I think Gibbo wants to get our salary levels in-line with the average of the rest of the Championship (understandable tbf)
This means as supporters we will just have to 'suck it up' for another season.
The football will be a bit 'iffy' but hopefully the resources will be in place for a promotion tilt next year (as it was after Mogga left)

One thing on injuries - it’s amazing how many injuries we seem to pick up when results are going against us. The first half of last season we seemed to have a very settled starting eleven with two or three players switching on occasion. New players come in and into the team, the results start to dip and all of a sudden the injuries begin to mount up. Attitudes are questioned publicly as well.

Karanka’s teams of 14/15 and 15/16 rarely seemed to have any injuries. Certainly nothing out of the ordinary anyway. When Woodgate was in charge we had half a dozen players out every week.

I made a post before the season that we are treading water as a club, it’s clear to see. Even the local area has lost interest too.

When Karanka was in charge during the play off year and promotion year, you could start to feel the excitement and interest in the club from the public, it felt like we were finally going in the right direction after an awful spell for the club under Mowbray and Strachan and it feels like we’re going back to it.

but maybe we’re just at our true our level in the days of billionaire owners that we can’t compete with. Even the mid table premier league teams seem like they can buy and sell Boro 20x over.

We haven’t been a regular top flight team now since two decades ago, that’s like an eternity in football, especially when the gap between the rich clubs and the rest keeps growing.

It’s just the reality of it. only a few teams have real success, the rest are just treading water, just at different levels.