Fulham ticket details?

Yeah I know, but it still baffles me that's why I brought it up again.
I think I read somewhere it wasn't easy to administer for each game because they didn't know the true costs involved at the start of the season when charging £600/£700 for an away ticket (or whatever the price is, because obviously not all teams charge the same price of tickets) and anyone with an away ticket had the right to cancel an away game and receive a refund for that game.

If I knew that, I (like many others) would've probably bought an away season ticket and therefore you're guaranteed an away ticket with the option of returning it for a full refund if you choose not to go....or at least that's what I was told by someone who has an away season ticket.

Plus I don't think MFC charge anything to sort this all out therefore it's an inconvenience to them.

Does seem like a bit of a chew on from MFC's point of view.
 
I think I read somewhere it wasn't easy to administer for each game because they didn't know the true costs involved at the start of the season when charging £600/£700 for an away ticket (or whatever the price is, because obviously not all teams charge the same price of tickets) and anyone with an away ticket had the right to cancel an away game and receive a refund for that game.

If I knew that, I (like many others) would've probably bought an away season ticket and therefore you're guaranteed an away ticket with the option of returning it for a full refund if you choose not to go....or at least that's what I was told by someone who has an away season ticket.

Plus I don't think MFC charge anything to sort this all out therefore it's an inconvenience to them.

Does seem like a bit of a chew on from MFC's point of view.

My comments were around 3 year home season tickets, which they used to do and then withdrew for whatever reason.
 
It is a difficult one but the best work around a loyalty scheme like this where in some instances demand is higher than supply is what some of the Premier League Supporters Groups do. The example I know is the Didsbury Blues (Man City) that have a committee structure and they have an away game opt in system. People pool their access to games and they buy tickets using some of the older fans points and give it to a waiting list of fans that don't have enough points. I think they pay into the scheme at the start of the season. If they pass up on a game they go back to the bottom of the line. Complex and built on trust but it does sort of work.

It would not work if there were not lots of older fans not interested in going to away games. I have some mates who can only get to away games on that system. But they don't get their own points for going to those games so it is perpetual.

I logged on 15 mins late because of a work call and got nothing. I am a Gold Season ticket holder etc. Win some you lose some. Will have to spend time with the full time girlfriend instead, or just drag her to the pub to watch it.
 
It is a difficult one but the best work around a loyalty scheme like this where in some instances demand is higher than supply is what some of the Premier League Supporters Groups do. The example I know is the Didsbury Blues (Man City) that have a committee structure and they have an away game opt in system. People pool their access to games and they buy tickets using some of the older fans points and give it to a waiting list of fans that don't have enough points. I think they pay into the scheme at the start of the season. If they pass up on a game they go back to the bottom of the line. Complex and built on trust but it does sort of work.

It would not work if there were not lots of older fans not interested in going to away games. I have some mates who can only get to away games on that system. But they don't get their own points for going to those games so it is perpetual.

I logged on 15 mins late because of a work call and got nothing. I am a Gold Season ticket holder etc. Win some you lose some. Will have to spend time with the full time girlfriend instead, or just drag her to the pub to watch it.
Keep an eye out for the potential extra 600 tickets
 
Good news about the extra 600.

I am still puzzled by how many tickets had gone when I bought at 3pm. Could corporates, players, and general hangers on have got say 500+ away tickets

These new 600, I hope go to Boro fans who go to lots of Boro games.
 
Sheriff

I have lived in London and I know rents and house prices are very high. Often I put up with poorer accommodation or smaller accomodation that I would do say in the North e.g sharing a house in London opposed to having own place in the North. It does take a fair chunk of salary, but the average person is still better off than a living wage job on Teesside. The job opportunities for quality jobs are just so much more and it is possibe to live without a car in most areas of London.
I don't have a car. Can't afford one. Buying a season ticket and travelling to games is way way beyond my means. I don't really think other people's experiences are relevant. I don't think it's reasonable at all to say someone from London can just buy a ticket and travel up, I think it's a little out of touch.
 
Without doubt.

Needed a loyalty scheme long before it came in.

The free for all was just ridiculously unfair. This system is much fairer.

How exactly was it a free for all? Only those with season cards (or access to one) could apply.

I don't see how every season card holder having a fair and equal shot at a ticket is "ridiculously unfair". It's only unfair if you want to skew the system in your own favour.

I know of 2 groups of people who are not SC holders who have tickets for Fulham, they used other people's season cards to get the tickets while those card holders benefited from the points. Now you might say that happened before points, which is true. But every season card holder had a fair and equal chance of beating these people to the tickets, now if these people who's card they're using have enough points, you've lost instantly if you don't have enough points. I've had a season ticket continuously for 15 years and because I'm 3 points short I haven't even had a shot at getting a ticket against a closed shop of people lending their tickets to people who just want their annual p*** up in London.

How is that rewarding loyalty?

As I've already explained, the points system penalises young supporters who haven't had the chance to build up points, the points target is always moving out of reach for the biggest games.

This has also split up people who would otherwise have gone to games together, as they don't all have the required points to attend games.

I've tried to play the system honestly, but against a rigged system that is skewed in favour of certain people you have to do what fans at other clubs with these systems have done and play it to your advantage, or you will inevitably lose out when it comes to getting tickets.
 
I don't see any group as a problem - the only problem is there will always be scenarios when there are less tickets than those that want them.

I don't have an answer as to how to sell them but if you've read all the comments in the post you will see that I think its right that those that have supported the club for consecutive seasons by buying a season ticket and putting money into the club should be prioritised but also that the system has to give some reward to those that buy home/away tickets/new season tickets.

Would we want to go back to the first come first served scenario where by someone going to the first away match gets a ticket at the expense of say a 10 year season ticket holder who has been to say 5-10 away games every season.
I think the current system is reasonable as I have posted earlier possibly it could be tweaked a little to help younger fans and fans who go to lots of games without a season ticket by slightly upping points per game. Totally agree with your first sentence too, but I think you had posted that some groups were a problem in an earlier post and I was curious about who you were thinking of. I assume now you mean people who use their mate's season tickets as Ingleby posted, which in theory is not allowed but in practice difficult if not impossible to stop. With this Fulham game I think we had around 4,000 fans trying to get 1,000 tickets which is not typical Boro.

I can see Boro fans like Sherriff are a bit frustrated because its a local away game and they can't get a ticket but we can't really base allocation on where a Boro fan lives. I once got a brother's girlfriend to get me tickets for a Fulham stand, because the Boro allocation had sold out. She worked with a Fulham fan in Hammersmith. It was when there was open terracing behind one goal (Putney end). That end was half empty. Its no fun being with opposition fans, but it was better than following on Sky Sports News etc for me.

I know a reasonable person would not pay £420 for a season ticket card and only use it say 5 or 6 times a season, ands rightly so, but a lot of us on here are not reasonable when it comes to following the Boro.... we have an addiction.

A few keen fans drove down to Plymouth from Teesside last week and back, to watch one friendly match that must have knocked £420 off the value of the car :oops: !

Its not just Boro fans - I worked with a ex Pro footballer who brother in law supported Everton and lived in Liverpool. He had a season ticket for Everton. However he also bought a season ticket for Wigan Athletic. The main reason was so he was guaranteed to be able see Everton @ Wigan (who were also in the Premier League at the time). He did go to see some Wigan games if he was not going to a Everton game and Wgan season tickets were quite cheap. However that is not the behaviour of a reasonable person - hardcore football fans for yer :)
 
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How exactly was it a free for all? Only those with season cards (or access to one) could apply.
Because some season ticket holders have been a holder for 20/30/40+ years and some were a season ticket holder for the first time.

Surely those who have put more money over a longer period of time deserves it more than a season ticket holder who’s only just signed up?

A loyalty scheme was desperately needed and it’s definitely better now than it was.

There’s not a loyalty scheme out there that would keep everyone happy, not that I’m aware of anyways. All loyalty schemes have their drawbacks. But not having a loyalty scheme (or letting it be a free for all for all season ticket holders) was just not the right option.

This way it’s fair.
 
How exactly was it a free for all? Only those with season cards (or access to one) could apply.

I don't see how every season card holder having a fair and equal shot at a ticket is "ridiculously unfair". It's only unfair if you want to skew the system in your own favour.

I know of 2 groups of people who are not SC holders who have tickets for Fulham, they used other people's season cards to get the tickets while those card holders benefited from the points. Now you might say that happened before points, which is true. But every season card holder had a fair and equal chance of beating these people to the tickets, now if these people who's card they're using have enough points, you've lost instantly if you don't have enough points. I've had a season ticket continuously for 15 years and because I'm 3 points short I haven't even had a shot at getting a ticket against a closed shop of people lending their tickets to people who just want their annual p*** up in London.

How is that rewarding loyalty?

As I've already explained, the points system penalises young supporters who haven't had the chance to build up points, the points target is always moving out of reach for the biggest games.

This has also split up people who would otherwise have gone to games together, as they don't all have the required points to attend games.

I've tried to play the system honestly, but against a rigged system that is skewed in favour of certain people you have to do what fans at other clubs with these systems have done and play it to your advantage, or you will inevitably lose out when it comes to getting tickets.
Bang on
 
Because some season ticket holders have been a holder for 20/30/40+ years and some were a season ticket holder for the first time.

Surely those who have put more money over a longer period of time deserves it more than a season ticket holder who’s only just signed up?

A loyalty scheme was desperately needed and it’s definitely better now than it was.

There’s not a loyalty scheme out there that would keep everyone happy, not that I’m aware of anyways. All loyalty schemes have their drawbacks. But not having a loyalty scheme (or letting it be a free for all for all season ticket holders) was just not the right option.

This way it’s fair.
Disagree…I don’t think a loyalty scheme was desperately needed at all. There was already a loyalty scheme in place. A scheme where everyone knew where they stood and season ticket actually meant something. I’ve said it before, I’m a non-season ticket holder and I feel less inclined to buy a season ticket now because it doesn’t have the same benefits as it used to.
 
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