Angela Rayner sacked as Labour Party chair and national campaign co-ordinator

I still don't get the massive u turn within the membership to vote for an obvious fraud like Starmer after they'd unanimously voted for Corbyn. RLB was who I voted for and it just seems really weird to me that so many people decided to ditch their left wing principles and vote for the right wing turd instead.
Considering your strong words there would you like those in the 'right wing' out of the party?
 
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Because he represents a failed Labour Party - probably to a greater degree. If you think Left Wing, Marxist, IRa sympathisers are the answer then you will guarantee the Tories stay in power for a considerable time. If this is the thought process of the rank and file you are I suspect way out of touch
 
Consider your strong words there would you like those in the 'right wing' out of the party?
Yes. Some of them already left in that laughable attempt to form a new party that fell apart within minutes. Corbyn's biggest mistake was trying to be inclusive and giving top jobs to right wing MPs so that they could stab him in the back, or the front in Jess Phillips's case and try to sabotage from within. he should have done what Starmer has done to the left and kicked them all in to back bench obscurity. But he didn't. Because he's a lovely bloke. No point in having a labour party that is no different to the Tory party. Only about twenty odd decent labour MPs left. Pretty much just the SCG and the rest can all go for me.
 
Because he represents a failed Labour Party - probably to a greater degree. If you think Left Wing, Marxist, IRa sympathisers are the answer then you will guarantee the Tories stay in power for a considerable time. If this is the thought process of the rank and file you are I suspect way out of touch
**** off with the IRA sympathisers angle Nosmo. It's a crock of ***** as you well know.
 
She hasn't been sacked, she has been moved, but then you would expect the Campaign coordinator to fall on their swards after this week results, wouldn't you?
 
I am not a Labour member and I appreciate some on this forum are members so I post my opinion as a Labour voter who just watches the telly news or reads the newspaper web sites. I don’t bother with twitter or Facebook much so I may be out if touch but my perception of Angela Rayner is that she has had hardly any public profile over the last 12 months.

Is that ok when she is in the high profile position she is?
 
Because he represents a failed Labour Party - probably to a greater degree. If you think Left Wing, Marxist, IRa sympathisers are the answer then you will guarantee the Tories stay in power for a considerable time. If this is the thought process of the rank and file you are I suspect way out of touch
When Thatcher was having secret meetings with McGuinness and Adams at Downing street and you complain about him attending the funeral of a IRA member. When Thatcher was "entertaining" one of the most vile men in the world and nothing was mentioned about it. And when you say Marxist- what exactly do you mean? What is Marxism? Is it one of these phrases such as "champagne socialist" where a person who believes in Socialism is not allowed to improve their lot and enjoy the better things in life? You know- someone who thinks about others as well as themselves.
John Mc Donnell says what thinks and if he upsets someone that's tough
 
I am not a Labour member and I appreciate some on this forum are members so I post my opinion as a Labour voter who just watches the telly news or reads the newspaper web sites. I don’t bother with twitter or Facebook much so I may be out if touch but my perception of Angela Rayner is that she has had hardly any public profile over the last 12 months.

Is that ok when she is in the high profile position she is?
I suspect that was Starmer's choice. When she stood in for him at PMQs she was much more impressive.
 
I am not a Labour member and I appreciate some on this forum are members so I post my opinion as a Labour voter who just watches the telly news or reads the newspaper web sites. I don’t bother with twitter or Facebook much so I may be out if touch but my perception of Angela Rayner is that she has had hardly any public profile over the last 12 months.

Is that ok when she is in the high profile position she is?
As I've said before on here she has been silenced by Starmer and his inner circle. That's the problem of having the membership vote for both leader and deputy leader. You end up with a leader and a deputy who just don't agree and can't work together unless the deputy just does as they're told or plays dirty tricks behind the scenes. Corbyn had Tom Watson actively working against him when he was in charge.
 
As campaign co-ordinator she has overseen a disastrous set of results and the imposition of the absolute wrong candidate in Hartlepool.

I still back Keir but I want to see the bigger picture of all this change. We cannot enter another election cycle without people being clear what they would be voting for if they vote Labour.

The infighting, smears and insults have to stop, Keir isn't a Tory or anything close but we do need to recognise that in order to do good in government you actually have to get elected - Blair did an awful lot of good but had similar issues with the extreme left wing of the party.

I say all of this as someone who is frequently accused of being extremely left wing.
 
**** off with the IRA sympathisers angle Nosmo. It's a crock of ***** as you well know.


Thing is though, this stuff works on the electorate. The truth doesn’t really matter anymore. A few choice headlines in the tabloids and that nonsense sticks with those who don’t know the reality, which just happens to be the overwhelming majority, sadly. Corbyn is proof of that. The volume of people who couldn’t tell you anything about his policy ideas or history, but could tell you he was ‘unelectable’ because he’s a ‘terrorist sympathiser’ but couldn’t actually tell you what that label referred to, was ridiculous.
For this reason McDonnell is not an option.
Neither is Rebecca Long Bailey. I’m not saying anything about what she stands for or her politics or abilities, but in terms of broad appeal she just doesn’t have it. Sadly, manifestos seem to be less and less important in deciding things these days, as personality/charisma gains importance. People didn’t vote for the Tories last time out, they voted for the character that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson created with his media chums, for that very purpose.
I don’t think Labour can afford to have a leader based purely on what they stand for anymore. It’s got to be a mixture of that and their own gravitas and ability to hold the public attention now.
For me, Burnham is the only real option with the ability to get through to the masses that I can see presently.
 
Thing is though, this stuff works on the electorate. The truth doesn’t really matter anymore. A few choice headlines in the tabloids and that nonsense sticks with those who don’t know the reality, which just happens to be the overwhelming majority, sadly. Corbyn is proof of that. The volume of people who couldn’t tell you anything about his policy ideas or history, but could tell you he was ‘unelectable’ because he’s a ‘terrorist sympathiser’ but couldn’t actually tell you what that label referred to, was ridiculous.
For this reason McDonnell is not an option.
Neither is Rebecca Long Bailey. I’m not saying anything about what she stands for or her politics or abilities, but in terms of broad appeal she just doesn’t have it. Sadly, manifestos seem to be less and less important in deciding things these days, as personality/charisma gains importance. People didn’t vote for the Tories last time out, they voted for the character that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson created with his media chums, for that very purpose.
I don’t think Labour can afford to have a leader based purely on what they stand for anymore. It’s got to be a mixture of that and their own gravitas and ability to hold the public attention now.
For me, Burnham is the only real option with the ability to get through to the masses that I can see presently.
Fabio I know people who actually believed that the photoshopped image of Corbyn attending an IRA funeral wearing an 'I ❤ the IRA' t-shirt was indeed real.
 
I really like Andy, I've voted for him as party leader in the past, he's intelligent, articulate and he cares deeply but Keir deserves more time than he's had so far.
 
So we just have to give in to the media lies and smears and stick somebody who is no different to Boris in charge just so that we can win an election and then nothing will change? Sounds like a great plan to me.
 
So we just have to give in to the media lies and smears and stick somebody who is no different to Boris in charge just so that we can win an election and then nothing will change? Sounds like a great plan to me.
You really believe Keir is no different to Boris?
 
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