Black man killed by police in Minnesota - new revelation

It's probably clearer to state the chances of being killed as a black man in the USA versus a white man. 1 in every 1000 black men die by being shot by the police its less than 1 in 400 for white men.

The figures diverge even further in the 25 to 29 age group.
 
Probably doesn't make any statistical difference tbh. There'll be little old black ladies as well as little old white ladies in the US. If you somehow found a way to remove them from your population figures it won't suddenly mean the ratio of black people to white people in America becomes 50:50.

No, but how about when you look at only those committing armed crime ?
 
No, but how about when you look at only those committing armed crime ?
Smog I think what you are getting at is that the police kill more black men than white because they deserve to be killed more often?

I would respectfully suggest if that's your argument you should really be the one to do the research.

What I can tell you is 1 in 6 black men shot by police since 2015 were unarmed, for white men it was 1 in 18 that were unarmed.

It's really difficult to argue against stats like that.
 
Laughing.... "Smog I think what you are getting at is that the police kill more black men than white because they deserve to be killed more often?"

That's a bit offensive, you believe I think they DESERVE to be killed more often... why don't you just come out and say it ?

The only point I'm making is that statistics are always manipulated to fit the narrative and always should be questioned. All sides of the argument do this.
 
Fair enough, but an little old lady doing her shopping shouldn't be included in those statistics.

How about the percentage of violent crime committed by each ethnic group, or the percentage of interactions of each ethnic group with the police and then give me the statistics.
This is the States we're talking about. The old white lady could be packing heat 😁
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Laughing.... "Smog I think what you are getting at is that the police kill more black men than white because they deserve to be killed more often?"

That's a bit offensive, you believe I think they DESERVE to be killed more often... why don't you just come out and say it ?

The only point I'm making is that statistics are always manipulated to fit the narrative and always should be questioned. All sides of the argument do this.
It's not meant to be offensive, it's what you implied. Have a look at the statistics they are unequivicol
 
I'm not sure if you're on about the man who was killed or the soldier who wasn't.

I've just seen the video of the soldier on the news and it's a bit of a catch 22. There's two officers pointing guns at him shouting for him to unbuckle his seatbelt and get out the car. He (very understandably) doesn't want to do anything that moves his hands out of their sight for even a moment. I don't really think you can say there's a definitive answer on what the right thing to do is. It's a very dangerous dilemma.
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41 shots, and we'll take that ride
'Cross the bloody river to the other side
41 shots, cut through the night
You're kneeling over his body in the vestibule
Praying for his life

Is it a gun, is it a knife
Is it a wallet, this is your life
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in your American skin

(41 shots)
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41 shots, Lena gets her son ready for school
She says, "On these streets, Charles
You've got to understand the rules
If an officer stops you, promise me you'll always be polite
And that you'll never ever run away
Promise Mama you'll keep your hands in sight"

Is it a gun (is it a gun), is it a knife (is it a knife)
Is it a wallet (is it a wallet), this is your life (this is your life)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in your American skin

(41 shots)
(41 shots)
(41 shots)
(41 shots)

Is it a gun (is it a gun), is it a knife (is it a knife)
Is it in your heart (is it in your heart), is it in your eyes (is it in your eyes)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)

41 shots, and we'll take that ride
'Cross this bloody river to the other side
41 shots, I got my boots caked with this mud
We're baptized in these waters (baptized in these waters)
And in each other's blood (and in each other's blood)

Is it a gun (is it a gun), is it a knife (is it a knife)
Is it a wallet (is it a wallet), this is your life (this is your life)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
It ain't no secret (it ain't no secret)
No secret my friend
You can get killed just for living in
You can get killed just for living in
You can get killed just for living in your American skin


 
Smog I think what you are getting at is that the police kill more black men than white because they deserve to be killed more often?

I would respectfully suggest if that's your argument you should really be the one to do the research.

What I can tell you is 1 in 6 black men shot by police since 2015 were unarmed, for white men it was 1 in 18 that were unarmed.

It's really difficult to argue against stats like that.
I think what he was saying is that, when you put yourself in harm's way by committing crime, then you are increasing the chances of being injured by police, or other people. Black people in the US commit more homicide crimes per head than other ethnic groups, so they stand a greater chance of being shot or injured by police trying to catch perpetrators.

Just to be clear here, 56% of all US homicides are being committed by a group that is <15% of the US population.
 
I think what he was saying is that, when you put yourself in harm's way by committing crime, then you are increasing the chances of being injured by police, or other people. Black people in the US commit more homicide crimes per head than other ethnic groups, so they stand a greater chance of being shot or injured by police trying to catch perpetrators.

Just to be clear here, 56% of all US homicides are being committed by a group that is <15% of the US population.
That may be true but the stats for unarmed shootings demonstrates that crime or no crime black men are being shot at 3 times the rate of white men. If you're unarmed there is not one justification for executing someone and that's what it amounts too.

I wouldn't disagree that black folk commit more crime per capita than white folks but they also get 30% stiffer sentences for the same crimes as white folk, they get shot more regularly. Some of it is down to crime some of it clearly is not. Some of it is just your old fashioned racism.
 
If you're unarmed there is not one justification for executing someone and that's what it amounts to.
How does a policeman or policewoman know, in what might be just a split second, whether someone is armed or not?

That guy who was killed in Minnesota was wanted for carrying a gun without a license. That's why they tried to arrest him. He may have been carrying the gun when he was stopped by police, or he may not.

It's a hard job for police. Delay too long and you may get shot.
 
How does a policeman or policewoman know, in what might be just a split second, whether someone is armed or not?

That guy who was killed in Minnesota was wanted for carrying a gun without a license. That's why they tried to arrest him. He may have been carrying the gun when he was stopped by police, or he may not.

It's a hard job for police. Delay too long and you may get shot.
That's true but doesn't address the inequality when assessing the situation does it?

Furthermore it is illeagal for an officer to use deadly force, in most states, when arresting someone for a misdemeanour, such as speeding, or more pertinent at the minute passing a forged bill. Even if the perpetrator is resisting arrest or fleeing, the officer is not permitted to use deadly force unless his life or anothers is in immeadiate danger.

I don't know what percentage of officer related shootings were as a result of apprehending a felon, rather than a miscreant, the legal term for somone who has committed a misdemeanour. I do know of plenty of single cases where the arresting officers have opened fire for no apparent reason, when the law dictates that they may not use deadly force, speeding tickets, as an example.

You may argue the law is wrong in allowing a police officer, without redress, to draw his weapon. The minute that happens the situation has just escalated, and the escalation was on the part of the police officer. Something our police officers are taught to avoid.

You may argue the training is inadequate.

You may argue that the job attracts the wrong type of people.

What you cannot argue with is that black people are, statistically, persecuted by the police in the USA. Equally you cannot argue that it is right to shoot an unarmed man, black or otherwise.
 
That guy who was killed in Minnesota was wanted for carrying a gun without a license...

...which is a gross misdemeanor.

So you have someone stopped for an air freshener on the mirror (punishable by fine), is suspected of another offence which is punishable by a fine and they still wind up being shot by the Police.
 
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Poor people commit more crime, and are therefore persecuted more often, shot / killed by the police more often.

Unfortunately a far higher proportion of poor people are black. Which accounts for the above statistics.

In my opinion anyway.

The police can’t fix that, only the government can.
 
...which is a gross misdemeanor.

So you have someone stopped for an air freshener on the mirror (punishable by fine), is suspected of another offence which is punishable by a fine and they still wind up being shot by the Police.
Ah... the "air freshener" story... it never ceases to amaze me how gullible some people are.
 
Ah... the "air freshener" story... it never ceases to amaze me how gullible some people are.
It was confirmed by Brooklyn Center police chief Tim Gannon that the reason for a stop was a traffic violation.
The victim called his mother & said that he'd been pulled over because of an air freshener hanging from this rear view mirror, which she repeated to the media.
 
...which is a gross misdemeanor.

So you have someone stopped for an air freshener on the mirror (punishable by fine), is suspected of another offence which is punishable by a fine and they still wind up being shot by the Police.
That's not the sequence of events at all. This is what happened, and this is not disputed.

At around 2:00 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Potter and two other Brooklyn Center police officers pulled over Wright, who was driving on 63rd Avenue North with his girlfriend, for a traffic violation, as the vehicle's registration tags had expired.The officers ran Wright's name through a police database and learned that he had an open arrest warrant stemming from pending charges for 1st-degree aggravated robbery with a gun; after posting $100,000 bail, Wright had allegedly violated the terms of his release by again possessing a firearm. Based on that information, the officers attempted to arrest him.

Footage from a police body camera worn by Potter showed her and another officer trying to handcuff Wright. Wright resisted arrest, broke free from the officers' grasp, and sat back down in the car. Potter, pointing her firearm at Wright, shouted "I'll tase you", and shot him.

The issue is not about someone being shot for a minor traffic violation. It's about someone with an open arrest warrant for aggravated robbery and firearms offences trying to flee.
 
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