Covid vaccines: ‘Immunity passport’ may be used for admission to pubs, restaurants and sporting venues

No idea what you are talking about artie, but I'll do my best to interpret your post.

Your first point what similar regulatory protocols are you talking about? Similar to what?

I am certainly not blinded by my hatred for the government, I am protective of my rights and I would be regardless of the government in place. I can't give any evidence of data being illegally gathered then used? Really? C'mon artie your better than this.

Your banking details are secure and the government can't get at them without a court order, that is a fact Artie, that I designed HSBC's internal security systems may not be relevant, you may be right, but it's against the law for a bank to divulge without your permission any financial information, that is relevant. It's the law, jesus, and you say I am blinded by my hatred of the government.

My provider does know my GPS information when the phone gets pinged, install a custom rom that stops the regular pingin, there are many available. Please don't talk to me like I don't know what I am talking about, I assure you I do.

Oh and try and make your posts a bit more understandable, I like a debate, but it was difficult to understand your post.
Likewise, it seems like you've lost the plot a bit. My posts are perfectly intelligible if you take the time to read them properly, and you can knock it off with patronising remarks. You're not making yourself look great here. It seems like you're smashing out your replies with your fists and getting yourself into a bit of a frenzy because some people don't agree with your viewpoint

It's quite clear - similar protocols for Covid passport regulations and control as there is to current medical records, that cannot be SO difficult for you to understand bearing mind your responsible for a major banking corporation's internal security systems

Read the following sentence again, a couple of times if needs be, and slowly, seeing as we're doing the patronising thing, maybe then you'll understand, it's really not difficult. I've even added some extra bits as a learning aid for you

Why are you so adamant similar regulatory protocol [for current medical records] cant or wont be applied in this scenario [i.e. for Covid passports], under the umbrella of it being part of our medical records, with the caveat that a venue has access to a tiny part of those records [and in no way access to any other medical information] in order to permit entrance?

And in reference to your reply to FatCat, you have massively missed the point (again) - none of the examples you give are comparable to C-19 and the mooting of a passport idea, because none of them are highly infectious diseases which spreads like wildfire throughout the population. I think you've become very paranoid about the "erosion of your privacy". It's not giving up freedoms that were fought for, it's about getting on top of a pandemic, stop being so melodramatic
 
Likewise, it seems like you've lost the plot a bit. My posts are perfectly intelligible if you take the time to read them properly, and you can knock it off with patronising remarks. You're not making yourself look great here. It seems like you're smashing out your replies with your fists and getting yourself into a bit of a frenzy because some people don't agree with your viewpoint

It's quite clear - similar protocols for Covid passport regulations and control as there is to current medical records, that cannot be SO difficult for you to understand bearing mind your responsible for a major banking corporation's internal security systems

Read the following sentence again, a couple of times if needs be, and slowly, seeing as we're doing the patronising thing, maybe then you'll understand, it's really not difficult. I've even added some extra bits as a learning aid for you

Why are you so adamant similar regulatory protocol [for current medical records] cant or wont be applied in this scenario [i.e. for Covid passports], under the umbrella of it being part of our medical records, with the caveat that a venue has access to a tiny part of those records [and in no way access to any other medical information] in order to permit entrance?

And in reference to your reply to FatCat, you have massively missed the point (again) - none of the examples you give are comparable to C-19 and the mooting of a passport idea, because none of them are highly infectious diseases which spreads like wildfire throughout the population. I think you've become very paranoid about the "erosion of your privacy". It's not giving up freedoms that were fought for, it's about getting on top of a pandemic, stop being so melodramatic
Your nuts Artie what current medical protocols are you referring to that could be extended?
 
Likewise, it seems like you've lost the plot a bit. My posts are perfectly intelligible if you take the time to read them properly, and you can knock it off with patronising remarks. You're not making yourself look great here. It seems like you're smashing out your replies with your fists and getting yourself into a bit of a frenzy because some people don't agree with your viewpoint

It's quite clear - similar protocols for Covid passport regulations and control as there is to current medical records, that cannot be SO difficult for you to understand bearing mind your responsible for a major banking corporation's internal security systems

Read the following sentence again, a couple of times if needs be, and slowly, seeing as we're doing the patronising thing, maybe then you'll understand, it's really not difficult. I've even added some extra bits as a learning aid for you

Why are you so adamant similar regulatory protocol [for current medical records] cant or wont be applied in this scenario [i.e. for Covid passports], under the umbrella of it being part of our medical records, with the caveat that a venue has access to a tiny part of those records [and in no way access to any other medical information] in order to permit entrance?

And in reference to your reply to FatCat, you have massively missed the point (again) - none of the examples you give are comparable to C-19 and the mooting of a passport idea, because none of them are highly infectious diseases which spreads like wildfire throughout the population. I think you've become very paranoid about the "erosion of your privacy". It's not giving up freedoms that were fought for, it's about getting on top of a pandemic, stop being so melodramatic
As far as FatCat response goes I haven't missed the point, you however clearly have. The point I was making to FatCat is its illegal, you can argue your option Artie but it doesn't change one iota that it is illegal to refuse entry to a premises because someone refused to hand over medical information. It's illegal.
 
Your nuts Artie what current medical protocols are you referring to that could be extended?
The protocols which protect current medical records from being mis-used. The protocols which you yourself stated as "our medical records are secure and need never be divulged without a court order"
 
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I give up, it's impossible to debate an issue with someone whose views are so entrenched and incapable of looking at differing viewpoints

change can create benefits you know, you don't have to maintain the incumbent process forever

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I give up, it's impossible to debate an issue with someone whose views are so entrenched and incapable of looking at differing viewpoints

change can create benefits you know, you don't have to maintain the incumbent process forever

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I am entrenched in my views you are right because they are entrenched rights.
Your viewpoint is equally entrenched but with only your onion to back it up.

The government can't change the protection on medical records its common law and enshrined in the nhs constitution.

You can't debate because you are talking nonsense, nothing to do with how strongly I hold my opinion, it's because what I am saying is a fact.
 
The government can't change the protection on medical records its common law and enshrined in the nhs constitution.

You can't debate because you are talking nonsense, nothing to do with how strongly I hold my opinion, it's because what I am saying is a fact.
and therefore, because protection on medical records is in common law and enshrined in the NHS constitution, any venue knowing you have tested negative, isn't suddenly going to find out how many boils you've had removed from your backside, are they?

Are you really that bothered if the landlord of your local boozer knows you have tested negative for C19?
 
and therefore, because protection on medical records is in common law and enshrined in the NHS constitution, any venue knowing you have tested negative, isn't suddenly going to find out how many boils you've had removed from your backside, are they?

Are you really that bothered if the landlord of your local boozer knows you have tested negative for C19?
Test results weren't the topic Artie, vaccination passports were the topic. I say again they would be illegal.

Its not about the local landlord knowing whether I have been vaccinated or not. It is the principle of giving up our freedoms.
 
Oh look gvt have announced you can visit carehomes if you have tested negative for covid. Anybody any issues with that, upsetting antibodies freedoms?
 
I don't think we really have a problem with freedom. We **** freedom. We've got bags of the stuff. When we've screwed up the planet and eaten all the food and drained all the resources, people may look back and think we were intoxicated with the stuff.
 
Test results weren't the topic Artie, vaccination passports were the topic. I say again they would be illegal.

Its not about the local landlord knowing whether I have been vaccinated or not. It is the principle of giving up our freedoms.
100% this - people should always have the freedom to choose, especially with something as potentially life changing as a vaccine.Having to need a “passport” to access businesses and leisure facilities is little more than a thinly veiled threat to people’s freedom to live a normal life. Accept this being pushed on society and it’s a slippery slope to whatever else they might think is “best for us” - i don’t want to live under a dictatorship thanks



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Its a slippery slope!

Id be happy to make a compromise. If the government wishes to continue to overreach, as it has been doing, it must set back about running the country for our benefit.

Tag me, track me, do what you must. But lets get some free and improved higher education. Better health care. Generally more public spending. A northern powerhouse above manchester. All that crazy **** the lefties want.
 
I’m surprised people are opposed to having the local pub know if they’ve had an injection to allow life to return to normal and to protect everyone’s health (in particular the vulnerable and elderly).

Also before it’s mentioned, of course anyone with conditions meaning they aren’t able to have a vaccination should be able to live a normal life without the vaccination.
 
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Bring it on, if it means returning to normality, no issues at all with it, if it’s optional, I’ll jump in front of a few in the FMTTM queue....😁
 
Heam that is not my objection, my objection s any change in legislation that allows any venue to do this. Our rights are there for a reason, all of them.
 
This is an interesting and balanced view of immunity passports that I think captures some of the issues that Laughing has raised. Most worrying is that any powers that have been granted historically as short term solutions are very rarely rescinded once allowed in the long term.

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Initially when I started the thread I thought it was an easy way of helping getting life back to normal but now I am not so sure.
 
Heam that is not my objection, my objection s any change in legislation that allows any venue to do this. Our rights are there for a reason, all of them.

But surely it would require a change in legislation for a venue to do it? Or am I missing something?
 
Wouldnt that be down to the owners? Not a bad idea though, why should they allow their staff to be put at risk over some idiot who wont take a vaccine?
Why would you consider someone an idiot for not wanting to be vaccinated?
 
But surely it would require a change in legislation for a venue to do it? Or am I missing something?
No you are not missing anything. Two issues though. The first one is that the right to medical privacy is enshrined in the NHS constitution, so would be very difficult to change. Secondly a venue, could, of course, make the stipulation, but it would be breaking the law. Perhaps the government would turn a blind eye to the contravention.
 
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