Randy
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Come on mate, you know as well as I do once government's have power over something they very rarely give it back to the population they serve.
What's stopping them asking for proof of vaccination to visit a supermarket?
Covid vaccines: ‘Immunity passport’ may be used for admission to pubs, restaurants and sporting venues
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What's stopping them asking for proof of vaccination to visit a supermarket?
I take your point to a degree, but I'm only suggesting this is acceptable for a limited time, and I would include supermarkets in the initial phase of it just as I would pubs, sports stadia, theatres, etc.
I really cant, even with this govt, see them even attempting to impose something such as this on a permanent basis, there would be far too much of the population against that. It would be largely unenforceable in that scenario, as indeed it would in my version in reality, but you have to appeal to people's better nature for compliance because I'm sure that the vast majority want this to end ASAP. We all know some wont comply, but there's nothing can be done about that. If 95% of people do, for a limited time, surely it would help us out of this mire
FatCat
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Given supermarkets are one of the prime infection venues would that be such a bad thing?
JM14
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Wouldnt that be down to the owners? Not a bad idea though, why should they allow their staff to be put at risk over some idiot who wont take a vaccine?
Laughing
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It's an absoloutely ridiculous idea, tapping into shops, pubs, and other venues is ludicrous. For anyone who thinks the government won't abuse this data, well, what can I say, your a fool. For those of you who say there is nothing to be worried about if you behave yourself, history proves you horribly wrong. For those who think safety comes first, you don't make someone take a vaccine against their wishes to make you feel safe.
I can't believe that there are people who actually think this is a good idea, it's not nor will it ever be.
There are are whole host of vaccines that cannot be taken by certain groups of people, people with pre-existing conditions, the list includes:
Hepatitis A and B
Influenza
Polio
MMR
Rotovirus
Menangococcal
The covid vaccine will be unsafe for some people, should we ban those from venues also?
What about freedom to practice your religion and article 9 (I think) which gives everyone the freedom to choose any belief system, some of which forbid the taking of vaccines, do we marginalise thes folks?
What about the freedom from discrimination and articles 8, 5 and 14 of the human rights act?
You folks will end with a government you deserve.
I can't believe that there are people who actually think this is a good idea, it's not nor will it ever be.
There are are whole host of vaccines that cannot be taken by certain groups of people, people with pre-existing conditions, the list includes:
Hepatitis A and B
Influenza
Polio
MMR
Rotovirus
Menangococcal
The covid vaccine will be unsafe for some people, should we ban those from venues also?
What about freedom to practice your religion and article 9 (I think) which gives everyone the freedom to choose any belief system, some of which forbid the taking of vaccines, do we marginalise thes folks?
What about the freedom from discrimination and articles 8, 5 and 14 of the human rights act?
You folks will end with a government you deserve.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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You can't really stop people going into supermarkets to buy food can you.
And why has no one mentioned 1984 yet.
And why has no one mentioned 1984 yet.
Randy
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Calling everyone who won't take a vaccine an idiot doesn't add to the discussion JM. There are a multitude of medical reasons some won't be able to take them, religious reasons and those with doubts.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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Also why are supermarkets prime infection venues?
Laughing mate - I think you may be being a touch naïve if you think the govt and big companies don't already have access to data on where you go and what you spend - if you use any kind of electronic device to pay (contactless, smartwatch, phone), or if you have your location on your phone turned on, you are already tapping into shops and pubs - maybe you just don't know you are?
I'm certainly not advocating enforced vaccination either
Randy
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And those same people have the audacity to call others selfish too.
Alvez_48
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Bingo we now have the full set of what I stated at the top of thread. Thanks Artie knew I could rely on you to pull through.
What do I win?
FatCat
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Yesterday in another thread about masks I was told clearly it’s entirely up to the shop owner who they have in their shop. Can’t see why the same premise doesn’t apply here?
JM14
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Possibly, but the majority who dont take them will simply be down to them not wanting to. And again how is it fair that someone is potentially exposed by these people just through doing their job?
Randy
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How could you possibly know that?
That's a wild guess.
I, like you, do not know the exact numbers of people who can't/won't take the vaccine for the reasons I mentioned but I bet it's a lot more than you or I could guess.
I think all of this speculation and discussion will hinge on what level of immunity is detected in the general populace and what is sustained if you contract the virus.
Over the course of the next year we will hopefully develop a much better understanding of post viral immunity, risk of repeated infection and hopefully an idea of how long this lasts for.
If there is no post viral immunity (highly unlikely given reporting and findings so far) then a vaccination passport may be required
If there is the likelyhood will be that vaccinations will be taken on by vulnerable groups as per the flu vaccine and I believe that case numbers will fall quite dramatically and the virus may pass through the lower risk population on an ongoing basis as further vaccinations take place.
I honestly don't think that once the most vulnerable are vaccinated and less people are dying of this that there will be much appetite to continue to restrict business or monitor the populace. I don't know who would benefit from it given that those that do not want to be monitored will work around the system. There are easier ways to track and monitor people.
Internationally may be different, as countries set there own rules and perhaps countries with low population transmission may be more at risk of travellers entering similarly to the yellow fever mandatory vaccinations.
Money talks, and anything that restricts people spending it will be lobbied against heavily.
Over the course of the next year we will hopefully develop a much better understanding of post viral immunity, risk of repeated infection and hopefully an idea of how long this lasts for.
If there is no post viral immunity (highly unlikely given reporting and findings so far) then a vaccination passport may be required
If there is the likelyhood will be that vaccinations will be taken on by vulnerable groups as per the flu vaccine and I believe that case numbers will fall quite dramatically and the virus may pass through the lower risk population on an ongoing basis as further vaccinations take place.
I honestly don't think that once the most vulnerable are vaccinated and less people are dying of this that there will be much appetite to continue to restrict business or monitor the populace. I don't know who would benefit from it given that those that do not want to be monitored will work around the system. There are easier ways to track and monitor people.
Internationally may be different, as countries set there own rules and perhaps countries with low population transmission may be more at risk of travellers entering similarly to the yellow fever mandatory vaccinations.
Money talks, and anything that restricts people spending it will be lobbied against heavily.
congratulationsBingo we now have the full set of what I stated at the top of thread. Thanks Artie knew I could rely on you to pull through.
What do I win?
nowhere have I posted that To enter any public venue you will have to scan a QR code on your phone to confirm you've been vaccinated, where you've been and what you've been doing.' you would be called a tin foil hat nut job.
and nor am I one of those very same people will claim it makes total sense that this should happen, claim they have nothing to hide anyway so what's the problem and that Google etc do it all anyway
I don't even know what point your trying to make, other than 'I told you so' which to be fair, isn't the most sophisticated point to make and you're perhaps making it to the wrong person? Not sure why you could rely on me in particular to fulfil your prediction
You are aware aren't you that we were all (at least should have been) scanning into pubs before this latest lockdown? How is this so much different?
JM14
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Will likely be exemptions, but someone who has no reason not to take one shouldnt be allowed to continue as normal whilst putting others at risk IMO
Alvez_48
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Mate I was just joking because you said how private companies have all the data anyway so what's the big deal.
Thus completing my set of things people will say to justify, I wasn't suggesting just you completed my set. I apologise for the confusion.
Just a bit of humour on a sunny Tuesday afternoon, not everything has to be super serious.
fair do'sMate I was just joking because you said how private companies have all the data anyway so what's the big deal.
Thus completing my set of things people will say to justify, I wasn't suggesting just you completed my set. I apologise for the confusion.
Just a bit of humour on a sunny Tuesday afternoon, not everything has to be super serious.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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You total sheeple Artie.