Covid vaccines: ‘Immunity passport’ may be used for admission to pubs, restaurants and sporting venues

If previously someone said 'To enter any public venue you will have to scan a QR code on your phone to confirm you've been vaccinated, where you've been and what you've been doing.' you would be called a tin foil hat nut job.

Now those very same people will claim it makes total sense that this should happen, claim they have nothing to hide anyway so what's the problem and that Google etc do it all anyway.

'Because to take away a man's freedom of choice, even his freedom to make the wrong choice, is to manipulate him as though he were a puppet and not a person.' - Madeline L'Engle
 
I think it is an appalling idea, infringes on our rights to freedom and to go about our business. I would march, on my own if needs be, to downing street.

I would have a vaccine shot when it comes available, but it is not the purvue of government to monitor medical treatments, where next? Pregnancy passports, right of admission to a nightclub only with an up to date STD certificate, access to FMTTM only with an IQ test result... on second thought that last one is a great idea!
 
The only way I would support something like this is if there was a hard guarantee on vaccine rollout (e.g. everyone who needs it will have it by May) and this was just a temporary scenario to get everything moving again as the country opened up. And the start/end dates would have to be enshrined in law with no chance of reversal.

At a company level, I think it falls into the same category as "no smoking, no dogs, no food, etc..." and if the company want to enforce vaccinated people only then that is up to them

I would also be quite surprised if this (easily) got through Parliament... I just can't see it... but weirder things have happened
 
In the meantime, another member of the inept government, Gove, has come out and said we won't have Covid passports. Someone needs to ask the chief clown BloJo just so we can be properly confused.
 
I hadn't thought about it from that point of view...

There are circumstances where you are required to give medical information to access services (e.g. don't do a bungee jump if you have heart issues!) but even that is a bit different than this, as that is a declaration to help protect the company. Insurance companies or financial lenders sometimes require medical information

I think it comes down to what would they want to know in order to be able to offer a safe service for everyone involved, from that perspective it makes some sense but I can see the issues with it.

They wouldn't need to have access to your medical records, but you would maybe need to provide some kind of yes/no/exempt evidence. And of course, it is voluntary - you don't have to go to the pub if you aren't comfortable with it.

Yea... not sure about that now. A bit more nuance than I first thought.
 
I think it is an appalling idea, infringes on our rights to freedom and to go about our business. I would march, on my own if needs be, to downing street.

I would have a vaccine shot when it comes available, but it is not the purvue of government to monitor medical treatments, where next? Pregnancy passports, right of admission to a nightclub only with an up to date STD certificate, access to FMTTM only with an IQ test result... on second thought that last one is a great idea!
So what if countries start insisting on a certificate for entry or airlines insisting on same to travel?
I think for us to return to some kind of normality we have all got to take this vaccine.
 
I will not work for a pub/restaurant that requires proof of vaccination for customers to enter. Simple as that.

I'm also willing to bet my left kidney, half my liver and 3 of my toes that 99% of the hospitality industry will also be against such measures.
 
So what if countries start insisting on a certificate for entry or airlines insisting on same to travel?
I think for us to return to some kind of normality we have all got to take this vaccine.
We cannot do anything about the laws in other countries and some already have vaccination laws for a right of entry.

As with the existing legislation across the world, the individual can make up their own mind whether a visitto a particular country is worth getting vaccinated for.

It would be, all things being equal, wise to get vaccinated, however, it has never been, nor ever will be the right of our government to force medical treatments on individuals.

Autonomy over your body is, and should remain sacrosanct. And this says nothing of the infringement on peoples religious beliefs, forcing a vaccine would incur.
 
It’s an interesting question - I would have no qualms in doing it, simply doesn’t bother me - if I had the vaccine what’s the harm in just showing proof of that. I think people are over dramatising it a bit talking about taking away their freedoms etc.

We do this now with certain countries we need to be vaccinated before we go and show proof of that vaccination and carry the certification with us. Nobody really bats an eyelid at this.

A covid vaccination passport is exactly the same thing just within the country.
 
We cannot do anything about the laws in other countries and some already have vaccination laws for a right of entry.

As with the existing legislation across the world, the individual can make up their own mind whether a visitto a particular country is worth getting vaccinated for.

It would be, all things being equal, wise to get vaccinated, however, it has never been, nor ever will be the right of our government to force medical treatments on individuals.

Autonomy over your body is, and should remain sacrosanct. And this says nothing of the infringement on peoples religious beliefs, forcing a vaccine would incur.
But nobody is forcing the vaccine on anyone, it simply means if you don’t take the vaccine you won’t be allowed into certain places, it’s exactly the same as not been allowed into certain countries if you are not vaccinated for yellow fever etc. Remember covid is a killer so measures to prevent its spread seem perfectly reasonable to me.

The article is not really suggesting the gvt is enforcing it either but rather the venues themselves.
 
If previously someone said 'To enter any public venue you will have to scan a QR code on your phone to confirm you've been vaccinated, where you've been and what you've been doing.' you would be called a tin foil hat nut job.

Now those very same people will claim it makes total sense that this should happen, claim they have nothing to hide anyway so what's the problem and that Google etc do it all anyway.

'Because to take away a man's freedom of choice, even his freedom to make the wrong choice, is to manipulate him as though he were a puppet and not a person.' - Madeline L'Engle

Genuinely dont understand the objection to this, for the purpose of safety the track and trace is probably the most effective way of controlling this provided its actually managed correctly. Do people not realise their phones will show everywhere they have been probably in even more depth than this?

So what if someone knows which restaurant/shop you have been to that day, what can they realistically do with that information?
 
I must admit I don't, at least in principal, have much of an issue with a Covid passport for entrance into certain venues or countries. As has been pointed out, there are many nuances to the actual logistics and practicalities of this, but it seems at face value be be a fairly sensible way of getting back to 'normal'.

The parallel I would draw is that for many countries around the world, I need to be vaccinated against other diseases (e.g. malaria) so it leaves me with a binary choice: take the vaccine and visit or don't and choose another destination. So to that end, some venues may want to adopt a similar approach, others will not and therefore there should be enough choice to accommodate people in either vaccine camp. I'm not advocating displaying my entire medical history to get into a pub, but I don't that's ever been a proposal. I cant see a problem for me personally showing qualification that 1) I am not infected, so therefore cannot pass it to anyone else within the same venue and 2) no-one else within the venue is infected and therefore cannot pass it on to me. That surely has to be a reasonably comprehensive means of infection control?

EDIT - I would only be in favour of temporary measures BTW, I'm not saying this should be the way forward forever, it's just a means to an end
 
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Absolutely horrible idea.

I do quite like the idea, though, of all the over 80’s going out into pubs and restaurants after vaccinations In December/Jan whilst the younguns wait their turn till around March April.
 
It’s an interesting question - I would have no qualms in doing it, simply doesn’t bother me - if I had the vaccine what’s the harm in just showing proof of that. I think people are over dramatising it a bit talking about taking away their freedoms etc.

We do this now with certain countries we need to be vaccinated before we go and show proof of that vaccination and carry the certification with us. Nobody really bats an eyelid at this.

A covid vaccination passport is exactly the same thing just within the country.
And where does it stop FatCat?


Some of us on here were called all sorts earlier in the year for predicting this.
 
And where does it stop FatCat?
Can't it not just stop exactly there Randy, what else is being proposed? For the next 12 months (or whatever it is, I just picked an arbitrary number for illustration purposes only) we show we are virus free to enter some social venues, and that's it. No more than that information is required, and after the 12 months period has expired based on that timeframe being sufficient, we drop the Covid passport thing completely. If other countries maintain it for travel, there's not a lot we can do about that
 
And where does it stop FatCat?


Some of us on here were called all sorts earlier in the year for predicting this.
I haven’t really though through my full policy on this yet ;-)
Joking aside luckily for me I’m not the one deciding. Just thinking out loud I’d have no problem tapping into a pub, concert venue etc. Obviously it’s a good question where to draw the line for which I haven’t got the answer.
 
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