Two more people beheaded in France

At no point in my post did I condone what happened, just point out that it's part of a much wider web of complex issues, none of which are either easy to fix or undo.

Fair enough I misinterpreted what you meant I agree and I personally think Tony Blair should be imprisoned for what he did to Iraq and the consequences for the whole region of what followed. Those wars are an absolute disgrace but it's not the general public orchestrating this and certainly not 70 year old women in church.

Regardless of the reasons a far more robust approach needs to put into action to deal with this its absolutely disgraceful
 
So what then? Just keep it as it is? Maybe pander to them a little more?
If your dealing with the people orchestrating these attacks your dealing with the root of the problem at least in France clearly you cant control what happens outside.
The problem is the people putting the ideas in the heads of these idiots who are as thick as 2 short planks and believe anything they are told. Deal with them properly and you will stop alot of this.

Maybe you can start by telling us what the French authorities are doing already and where they are failing?

Your posts are ignoring the wider consequences of a sledgehammer approach. The root causes of radicalisation are what need to be tackled however that is a complex web of social poverty and perceived racial injustice.
 
You said suspected radicals and you wanted them deported and close suspected mosques. That is not balanced, illeagal in France and clearly nuts. You may even say it is a radicalised Christian ethos.

Its not Christian's beheading people in the street is it? Something needs to be done and pandering to radicalised terrorists or sitting back and hoping it will all stop with head in the sand wont cut it
 
Maybe you can start by telling us what the French authorities are doing already and where they are failing?

Your posts are ignoring the wider consequences of a sledgehammer approach. The root causes of radicalisation are what need to be tackled however that is a complex web of social poverty and perceived racial injustice.

Nothing much. The same as when a police station was attacked by a gang of migrants not long ago from the area the station is in and they did nothing and arrested nobody.
 
Its not Christian's beheading people in the street is it? Something needs to be done and pandering to radicalised terrorists or sitting back and hoping it will all stop with head in the sand wont cut it
And nobody has said that. Argue the points or don't bother
 
And nobody has said that. Argue the points or don't bother

You made the point that it's a radical Christian ethos to want to try and deal with the issue of radical muslims and I told you that it's only muslims doing this so how can it be a radical Christian ethos? How is that not arguing my point? Your offering zero solutions your just saying you cant do this you cant do that. So are you saying that the current situation in France is acceptable?
 
And those people are where they belong to be but that is 3 people in 10 years or however long. This in France is happening not far off on a weekly basis. If it was something that happens once in a blue moon and it was people the authorities didnt know about and the current approach was generally working we wouldnt be having this conversation.

You will get the odd nutter in any culture but this is getting ridiculous in France and it's an absolute disgrace that they dont have any control over it. They either cant or wont protect their citizens
 
Yes, because persecuting every Muslim for the actions of a tiny minority will definitely help ease racial tensions.

Indeed but that doesn’t mean that it should be passed off as a tiny minority and nothing ever gets done about radicalisation. That does need to be tackled. A friend of mine is from a Muslim family and he used to attend madrasas and his family had to stop him attending as a kid because they were teaching him really radical and dangerous things. A lot of them have speakers coming in who are part of extreme terrorist groups.

The fact is if you get breaking news about beheadings in the street in France or England, it’s pretty safe to assume who is behind it before the facts, and 99% of the time you will be correct, which speaks volumes that there is a problem, even if it is the minority.

A big problem is people are so intolerant these days so if you speak about these things you are labelled as far right, or if you don’t have a strong opinion about it, you are you looney liberal. There is no real middle ground in society anymore which then needs to be because these conversations need to be had. People should not be afraid to talk about certain topics and have the conversation because they are afraid of the backlash or what label is going to be placed on them.
 
You made the point that it's a radical Christian ethos to want to try and deal with the issue of radical muslims and I told you that it's only muslims doing this so how can it be a radical Christian ethos? How is that not arguing my point? Your offering zero solutions your just saying you cant do this you cant do that. So are you saying that the current situation in France is acceptable?
I said no such thing. As I said argue the points or it's a waste of everyone's time. No reasoned debate from you at all.
 
And those people are where they belong to be but that is 3 people in 10 years or however long. This in France is happening not far off on a weekly basis. If it was something that happens once in a blue moon and it was people the authorities didnt know about and the current approach was generally working we wouldnt be having this conversation.

You will get the odd nutter in any culture but this is getting ridiculous in France and it's an absolute disgrace that they dont have any control over it. They either cant or wont protect their citizens
It was 3 off the top of my head! There's a few more, and far more frequently that you seem comfortable acknowledging

The answer to extremism isnt extremism from a different side which is what you are advocating by saying close down all mosques
 
You said suspected radicals and you wanted them deported and close suspected mosques. That is not balanced, illeagal in France and clearly nuts. You may even say it is a radicalised Christian ethos.

You didn't say it? Or you forgot what you wrote
 
It was 3 off the top of my head! There's a few more, and far more frequently that you seem comfortable admitting

The answer to extremism isnt extremism from a different side which is what you are advocating by saying close down all mosques

I didn't say close down all mosques I said the ones where these people doing this worship as they are clearly harbouring these sorts of ideas. I never once said close down all mosques
 
Yup I said that, that is not what you accused me of. I was making the point that deporting people and closing mosques without due process, which is what you are advocating, could be considered radicalised Christian ethos.

That it's a million miles away from what you claimed I said.
 
Let’s not kid ourselves that we were bombing the Middle East for religious / security reasons. If we were, why aren’t the UK and America doing it in Africa? The bottom line is, it is all about oil. Who owns it and who wants it. The destruction of countries, physically and politically, create the situation for extremists to use religion to fight back against the West and also create the refugee problems we have now.
The days of bombing for oil are coming to an end. It's not far off being free.
 
Changes need to be made to the law to keep innocent citizens protected in my view yes. If theres laws preventing the authorities keeping people safe they need to be changed
 
I didn't say close down all mosques I said the ones where these people doing this worship as they are clearly harbouring these sorts of ideas. I never once said close down all mosques

So every member of the mosque where one nutter worships is guilty by association? That will really ease the situation won't it
 
Back
Top