Two more people beheaded in France

Well yes of course, but the point I am making is not so much religious conversion, but cultural conversion - the threat to a way of life, in which religion plays a large part.

You are absolutely right, the two are very much interlinked.

The world would be so much simpler if we were all atheists, but many find solace in religion.
 
Let's hope the response is a bit more measured than your nonsense.

Well it's working well what they are doing so far isnt it? Terrorist attack on a weekly basis and soft politically correct policies. Probably the type response you advocate then? People need to get their heads out of their backsides and see this for what it is. It's a threat to our way of life
 
Well it's working well what they are doing so far isnt it? Terrorist attack on a weekly basis and soft politically correct policies. Probably the type response you advocate then? People need to get their heads out of their backsides and see this for what it is. It's a threat to our way of life
Close mosques? Under what legislation would the French do that? Deport suspected terrorists? What if they are French? What about due process?

Your solution is nuts.
 
Let’s not kid ourselves that we were bombing the Middle East for religious / security reasons. If we were, why aren’t the UK and America doing it in Africa? The bottom line is, it is all about oil. Who owns it and who wants it. The destruction of countries, physically and politically, create the situation for extremists to use religion to fight back against the West and also create the refugee problems we have now.
 
Well it's working well what they are doing so far isnt it? Terrorist attack on a weekly basis and soft politically correct policies. Probably the type response you advocate then? People need to get their heads out of their backsides and see this for what it is. It's a threat to our way of life

Yes, because persecuting every Muslim for the actions of a tiny minority will definitely help ease racial tensions.
 
Yes, because persecuting every Muslim for the actions of a tiny minority will definitely help ease racial tensions.

I didnt say that did I if you read what I wrote properly. The issue of radicalisation needs meeting with a much harder response and anywhere that advocates it needs to closed. I didnt say every Muslim.
 
Close mosques? Under what legislation would the French do that? Deport suspected terrorists? What if they are French? What about due process?

Your solution is nuts.

So what then just let it carry on and have people BEHEADED on the streets? Your due process is not effective to keep people safe is it?
 
I didnt say that did I if you read what I wrote properly. The issue of radicalisation needs meeting with a much harder response and anywhere that advocates it needs to closed. I didnt say every Muslim.

And how do you think shutting down any mosque would make majority of law abiding Muslims feel?

Heavy handed approaches do not work and only further increase the rate of radicalisation.

As yet we do not know why this person has committed these barbaric acts.
 
I'd imagine the same reason as last weeks terrorist had I'd imagine. Because they are absolute morons who cant think for themselves
 
So what then just let it carry on and have people BEHEADED on the streets? Your due process is not effective to keep people safe is it?
So that's the only 2 options it's it? It's a bit pointless arguing with you on this, the French government cannot just dump due process nor can they deport French citizens. As I said you're solution is nuts, unworkable and would make the situation worse
 
Worse? Worse than what's happening over there now? If they carry on with this softly softly approach nothing will change and it will keep on happening. Deportation after long sentences and life sentences for citizens. Closure of any institution that houses these sort of ideas. Give them something to think twice about.
 
Worse? Worse than what's happening over there now? If they carry on with this softly softly approach nothing will change and it will keep on happening. Deportation after long sentences and life sentences for citizens. Closure of any institution that houses these sort of ideas. Give them something to think twice about.

Worse would be mass co-ordinated attacks fueled by people being radicalised by heavy handed policing and increased racism.
 
Worse? Worse than what's happening over there now? If they carry on with this softly softly approach nothing will change and it will keep on happening. Deportation after long sentences and life sentences for citizens. Closure of any institution that houses these sort of ideas. Give them something to think twice about.
No problem with sending terrorists to jail for longer sentences and deporting them if appropriate after the end of their sentence. That is not what you initially said and not what I called nuts
 
So what then? Just keep it as it is? Maybe pander to them a little more?
If your dealing with the people orchestrating these attacks your dealing with the root of the problem at least in France clearly you cant control what happens outside.
The problem is the people putting the ideas in the heads of these idiots who are as thick as 2 short planks and believe anything they are told. Deal with them properly and you will stop alot of this.
 
No problem with sending terrorists to jail for longer sentences and deporting them if appropriate after the end of their sentence. That is not what you initially said and not what I called nuts

Yes it is I said radicals deported and close any place that harbours these sorts of ideas. I certainly dont advocate tarring everyone with the same brush.
 
Yes it is I said radicals deported and close any place that harbours these sorts of ideas. I certainly dont advocate tarring everyone with the same brush.
You said suspected radicals and you wanted them deported and close suspected mosques. That is not balanced, illeagal in France and clearly nuts. You may even say it is a radicalised Christian ethos.
 
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