More meanness and bile from The Nasty Party

Omega said:
No they do not I myself went on free school dinners. Free school meals are nothing new but why all of sudden do we have starving children.
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1. A lot (most?) free school meal kids are from homes with working parents. A lot are furloughed or on reduced excess for other hours or recently made redundant waiting for UC to arrive.

2. A lot of charities realise this is a problem in normal times and run holiday clubs and lunch clubs. These are 'manned' by a lot of retired volunteers who are not able to run then in these times. (There are at least three not running in our town.)
 
bear66 said:
1. A lot (most?) free school meal kids are from homes with working parents. A lot are furloughed or on reduced excess for other hours or recently made redundant waiting for UC to arrive.

2. A lot of charities realise this is a problem in normal times and run holiday clubs and lunch clubs. These are 'manned' by a lot of retired volunteers who are not able to run then in these times. (There are at least three not running in our town.)
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I've worked in a school since 2009 and it is a well known fact that more kids go into lunch on a Monday and Friday due to the lack of food provided at home over the weekend.
 
These are all good points. I would say they should be able to go to the dole and prove these first then be given a grant until UC is paid out. As we need to stop people looking to social services and government to solve all our problems. If the dole is not coving the basics ie food it needs to be raised so it dose but how much by. My wife works in social and is aware what some people get and I’ll be honest it works out quite a lot in some cases
 
Omega said:
These are all good points. I would say they should be able to go to the dole and prove these first then be given a grant until UC is paid out. As we need to stop people looking to social services and government to solve all our problems. If the dole is not coving the basics ie food it needs to be raised so it dose but how much by. My wife works in social and is aware what some people get and I’ll be honest it works out quite a lot in some cases
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It's not just lunch. I've run an after school club for 7 years in a deprived area and provide food for their tea. For a lot of the kids, there'll be nothing else when they get home.
 
bear66 said:
It's not just lunch. I've run an after school club for 7 years in a deprived area and provide food for their tea. For a lot of the kids, there'll be nothing else when they get home.
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The school I work in offers a breakfast club for all students but prior to this I use to run one out of my own pocket for the kids in my unit. It use to cost me £1 for 4 pints of milk, £2+ for cornflakes, £1 for a loaf of bread and £1+ for a tub of margarine. The milk and bread I would buy weekly and the cornflakes and marg would last a couple of weeks or more. It was amazing the difference in the students attitudes towards learning once they had been fed.
 
Why is this bear tho. Is the benefits not their to help their parents. This is not a Covid thing then just Covid has brought it to light. We as a country need to find the answers I don’t believe the benefits are better any where else in Europe do they have the same problem
 
Maybe this will reach enough people that it might register that the wealth gap and a robust social care framework are not just socialist dogma and they are actually an avenue to a better society for everyone.
One of our members has said he voted for Brexit in the hope that his daughter sees the benefit in 15 to 20 years time. That is the sort of timescale you'd be looking at to transform our social care framework and address the growing levels of poverty of all forms, but we need the will as a nation to stick it out and not sacrifice a vision for short term gain.
Given the years of Tory governance and how we've seen the wealth gap widen and the levels of food poverty rise in that time, we shouldn't need to be pointing out that the cause and effect are tied to Tory rule.
 
Omega said:
Why is this bear tho. Is the benefits not their to help their parents. This is not a Covid thing then just Covid has brought it to light. We as a country need to find the answers I don’t believe the benefits are better any where else in Europe do they have the same problem
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I don't fully know, but I'm not going to turn my back on hungry kids.

Things will be much worse in Covid-19 times as voluntary organisations are less able to help. When I was involved in setting up a foodbank 14 years ago we didn't know how much it would be needed. There was huge demand through the financial crisis, then austerity and now Covid-19.
 
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Omega said:
Why is this bear tho. Is the benefits not their to help their parents. This is not a Covid thing then just Covid has brought it to light. We as a country need to find the answers I don’t believe the benefits are better any where else in Europe do they have the same problem
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I think you will find that we have the worst benefits of most of Europe. Most unemployment benefits in Europe are based on the salary of the claimant over the previous year or so and are paid out at between 50 and 80 per cent, depending on the country.. There are various lengths of time that this is paid for, and decreases over this time, but never to the pitiful levels that the UK pays out. There are even extra benefits for people aged 50 or over because the state realises that it is more difficult to find work at that age- ( in Germany).
Our benefits are absolutely shameful
 
Omega said:
Why is this bear tho. Is the benefits not their to help their parents. This is not a Covid thing then just Covid has brought it to light. We as a country need to find the answers I don’t believe the benefits are better any where else in Europe do they have the same problem
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I think one counter argument to this is that you can give the parents any sum of money you like but if they choose not to spend it on food for their kids then that is out of the kids control.
 
FatCat said:
I think one counter argument to this is that you can give the parents any sum of money you like but if they choose not to spend it on food for their kids then that is out of the kids control.
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FatCat why do the likes of yourself and Cooper naturally assume that all parents given benefits for their children spend it on booze and fags?

What evidence do you have that this is indeed the case?

I'm sure a small minority do but with one senseless statement you tar all parents with the same brush.

I'm guessing you're not a parent yourself.
 
BoroFur said:
FatCat why do the likes of yourself and Cooper naturally assume that all parents given benefits for their children spend it on booze and fags?

What evidence do you have that this is indeed the case?

I'm sure a small minority do but with one senseless statement you tar all parents with the same brush.

I'm guessing you're not a parent yourself.
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No I’m not saying that at all - someone was making the point about why children are still starving despite benefits and I’m just saying children can’t control what their parents do with the money. I haven’t mentioned booze or fags, I also haven’t said how many people do this - you have made both those statements.
 
FatCat said:
No I’m not saying that at all - someone was making the point about why children are still starving despite benefits and I’m just saying children can’t control what their parents do with the money. I haven’t mentioned booze or fags, I also haven’t said how many people do this - you have made both those statements.
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They can't control what the government or poor paying companies give them either.
 
bear66 said:
They can't control what the government or poor paying companies give them either.
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somebody said” My wife works in social and is aware what some people get and I’ll be honest it works out quite a lot in some cases”

I’m trying to say in response to that it doesn’t necessarily mean that what the parents get doesn’t always equate to the kids being fed which is what everyone on this thread wants.

So maybe the answer is to have half term clubs where kids can come for food.
 
FatCat said:
somebody said” My wife works in social and is aware what some people get and I’ll be honest it works out quite a lot in some cases”

I’m trying to say in response to that it doesn’t necessarily mean that what the parents get doesn’t always equate to the kids being fed which is what everyone on this thread wants.

So maybe the answer is to have half term clubs where kids can come for food.
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Well I'll be a bit more specific for you. My wife works for the DWP in Universal Credit and I can tell you very rarely does a claimant receive 'quite a lot' particularly over a long period of time.
 
Omega said:
These are all good points. I would say they should be able to go to the dole and prove these first then be given a grant until UC is paid out. As we need to stop people looking to social services and government to solve all our problems. If the dole is not coving the basics ie food it needs to be raised so it dose but how much by. My wife works in social and is aware what some people get and I’ll be honest it works out quite a lot in some cases
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How much does it cost to employ people to check the people who have to prove themselves. Probably more than to provide the dinners
 
BoroFur said:
Well I'll be a bit more specific for you. My wife works for the DWP in Universal Credit and I can tell you very rarely does a claimant receive 'quite a lot' particularly over a long period of time.
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I don’t know I’m sure you are correct but the other poster was implying otherwise hence I was trying to say To him even if he’s correct more money doesn’t necessarily equate to children being fed. Ultimately that’s what everybody wants.

I think you single out myself and cooper as we voted Tory but this is not really political, I think we are all on the same page here. As Marcus Rashford put it very well....
"We must stop stigmatising, judging and pointing fingers. Our views are being clouded by political affiliation.
"This is not politics, this is humanity.
 
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