Andy Burnham fighting back against the govt

KingOfTheTribes said:
The 'Cummings Effect' still is getting talked about in the news too - it's crazy how that man may be directly responsible for the public flouting lockdown rules. Him and Johnson.
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On top of that we have had Margaret Farrier - SNP
Johnson last week in a room with the public - no mask, no social distancing
Yesterday the queen (this will go down like a lead ballon) and her entourage out in an enclosed space with no masks

Now, on the last two I understand there rules on mask wearing in an enclosed space maybe murky.
But, if the prognosis for this epidemic is as significant as we are being told I would expect those at the top of the tree to demonstrate it is serious and set an example.
 
1finny said:
On top of that we have had Margaret Farrier - SNP
Johnson last week in a room with the public - no mask, no social distancing
Yesterday the queen (this will go down like a lead ballon) and her entourage out in an enclosed space with no masks

Now, on the last two I understand there rules on mask wearing in an enclosed space maybe murky.
But, if the prognosis for this epidemic is as significant as we are being told I would expect those at the top of the tree to demonstrate it is serious and set an example.
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The mask wearing debate is an interesting one and a lack of consistency in the application of masks still causing difficulty. Why you are not advised to wear a mask sat in the office for example. If you worked in a shop you would.
 
KingOfTheTribes said:
The opposition has presented an actual plan. Maybe you aren't interested in hearing it though?

Starmer's plan is to go with the advice from SAGE and immediately have a 2-4 week circuit break national lockdown with a financial package sufficient to support people and businesses.

Johnson's plan is to ignore SAGE and have a 3 Tiered system that SAGE doubts will work and not offer a decent financial package. We have been under VERY SIMILAR local lockdowns for 10 weeks now and 19 of the 20 affected areas have seen infection rates rise... So what is the point of Tier 1 & 2 when we have 10 weeks of evidence showing it doesn't work?

"The definition of insanity is repeating the same actions over and over again and expecting different results."
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If it has the support of the public and local authorities, great. Call it the Labour Plan by all means and push for it..
 
Not the Cummings effect again, if you live your life following the example set by murky politicians then you have a very low moral compass to start with!!!
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I really like Andy Burnham. I don't always agree with him but he comes across as being a genuine guy. It's a pity he didn't win the leadership contest in 2015.
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I've always thought well of Andy Burnham, but I think this latest stance is shameful. He's effectively saying that unless Manchester gets money, he won't take the recommended steps to curb the spread of covid. He doesn't have an alternative strategy. I don't believe there's anything wrong with the proposed regulations; the problem is the lack of enforcement. Who's in charge of the police in Manchester?
 
zaphod said:
I've always thought well of Andy Burnham, but I think this latest stance is shameful. He's effectively saying that unless Manchester gets money, he won't take the recommended steps to curb the spread of covid. He doesn't have an alternative strategy. I don't believe there's anything wrong with the proposed regulations; the problem is the lack of enforcement. Who's in charge of the police in Manchester?
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No, he's saying unless the people who live in Manchester, who have already been put under so much pressure and had their own personal incomes mauled, don't get any financial support, then he can't stand back and let that happen. Imagine having people in leadership with that kind of bottle on Teesside over the past decade?
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
Not the Cummings effect again, if you live your life following the example set by murky politicians then you have a very low moral compass to start with!!!
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It’s a real effect though, I know a good few Tories who think he should have been shown the door. It’s important people in public positions set an example and are called out when they don’t. It goes with the fame.
 
There's no doubt about the damage done in not sacking Cummings, even the police said they noticed a change in public attitude after watching him and those around him spin a pack of lies.
The spineless PM confirmed who really runs the government
 
American_Mary said:
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news...Ia--HK1otaN2aLbePLVVego-oDyvuIwhOxfju00CDi3kU

I know some people want to underplay the Cummings Effect but it has certainly impacted on people’s behaviour and the credibility of the Government lockdown rules.
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We all make our make our decisions in life and we all know deep down the difference between right and wrong.

Just because somebody gets away with doing something wrong doesn't mean an individual should follow suit.

I guess Im just naive in my thinking that people know the difference between right and wrong and once caught they just make an excuse rather than admitting they were in wrong.
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
We all make our make our decisions in life and we all know deep down the difference between right and wrong.

Just because somebody gets away with doing something wrong doesn't mean an individual should follow suit.

I guess Im just naive in my thinking that people know the difference between right and wrong and once caught they just make an excuse rather than admitting they were in wrong.
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I totally agree that it’s an excuse and the individual in the article may well have taken the same action regardless but if Cummings had been sacked, fined and used as a high profile example, then perhaps it might have worked as a deterrent and he would have thought the journey wasn’t worth the risk.

The fact he was able to use the excuse shows the weakness that the government’s excusing of Cummings displayed to the public and shows that if you give an inch others will take a yard.
 
Abel Tasman said:
The mask wearing debate is an interesting one and a lack of consistency in the application of masks still causing difficulty. Why you are not advised to wear a mask sat in the office for example. If you worked in a shop you would.
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Possible reason would be the use of screens negating the need for a mask at the desk at the workstation. I went into the pharmacist the other day wearing my mask, the assistants were not, all of them behind a screened counter 4 of them, none wearing a mask and distancing was poor almost impossible? Go figure
As for Andy Burnham, he should carry on fighting for the Mancs by ensuring everyone under his control is doing everything they can to comply with legislation and help reduce the infection rate. If the infection rate is going down in Manc, then the rules that government has set and what his people have achieved is starting to work.
 
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