Boycoutt Weatherspoons, people of Middlesborough

and with that one comment you have highlighte the problem with this country, nothing matters to you more than how much money you have in your pocket.
and with that one comment you have highlighted the problem with those purporting to represent the less well off, working class and Labour grass roots. Looking down your nose at people who need to watch their spending and don't have the luxury or disposable income to be handing over £5 for a pint of "Fiddlers Persistent Offender" in some trendy craft ale micro pub.

Looking after your money is not a crime. It's something my grandparents and parents had to do all their lives. Looking for the bargains/free stuff and shopping where it was cheapest. I was brought up, one of six kids, in an ex colliery house in a former pit village in County Durham. You may have had the luxury to pick and choose where you spent your money but we, and everyone I grew up with, had fcuk all and grew up to respect money and value what we had and not just fritter it away unnecessarily.
 
and with that one comment you have highlighted the problem with those purporting to represent the less well off, working class and Labour grass roots. Looking down your nose at people who need to watch their spending and don't have the luxury or disposable income to be handing over £5 for a pint of "Fiddlers Persistent Offender" in some trendy craft ale micro pub.

Looking after your money is not a crime. It's something my grandparents and parents had to do all their lives. Looking for the bargains/free stuff and shopping where it was cheapest. I was brought up, one of six kids, in an ex colliery house in a former pit village in County Durham. You may have had the luxury to pick and choose where you spent your money but we, and everyone I grew up with, had fcuk all and grew up to respect money and value what we had and not just fritter it away unnecessarily.
Don't be silly fella, not everyone can afford to 'artisan microbrew pints' true, but then why go to that more extreme end. There are beers of all prices in between. But if you're that poor then maybe buying a 4 pack from asda is the answer, not lining Tim's pocket while he takes advantage of his workforce. You are allowing him to subjugate others into poverty.

I was brought up in a single parent family the eldest of 3, I had nothing until I was mid 20s. I worked my ass off and sacrificed, I worked on an evening to get me through Uni and got debt from it. I accept it should be easier to climb the tree of life, but it's also a lazy excuse to say you can't afford to be ethical. If you want it enough you can get a relatively comfortable income where these decisions are not about saving pennies.

I value money, I value it's worth, I value employees that pay their staff a fair wage....that isn't Tim and I won't support him in his workforce exploitation. I'm sure some wise-ass will say he is a wealth creator, but I'm not buying that at all.
 
Don't be silly fella, not everyone can afford to 'artisan microbrew pints' true, but then why go to that more extreme end. There are beers of all prices in between. But if you're that poor then maybe buying a 4 pack from asda is the answer, not lining Tim's pocket while he takes advantage of his workforce. You are allowing him to subjugate others into poverty.

I was brought up in a single parent family the eldest of 3, I had nothing until I was mid 20s. I worked my ass off and sacrificed, I worked on an evening to get me through Uni and got debt from it. I accept it should be easier to climb the tree of life, but it's also a lazy excuse to say you can't afford to be ethical. If you want it enough you can get a relatively comfortable income where these decisions are not about saving pennies.

I value money, I value it's worth, I value employees that pay their staff a fair wage....that isn't Tim and I won't support him in his workforce exploitation. I'm sure some wise-ass will say he is a wealth creator, but I'm not buying that at all.
Don't be silly fella, not everyone can afford to 'artisan microbrew pints' true, but then why go to that more extreme end. There are beers of all prices in between. But if you're that poor then maybe buying a 4 pack from asda is the answer, not lining Tim's pocket while he takes advantage of his workforce. You are allowing him to subjugate others into poverty.

I was brought up in a single parent family the eldest of 3, I had nothing until I was mid 20s. I worked my ass off and sacrificed, I worked on an evening to get me through Uni and got debt from it. I accept it should be easier to climb the tree of life, but it's also a lazy excuse to say you can't afford to be ethical. If you want it enough you can get a relatively comfortable income where these decisions are not about saving pennies.

I value money, I value it's worth, I value employees that pay their staff a fair wage....that isn't Tim and I won't support him in his workforce exploitation. I'm sure some wise-ass will say he is a wealth creator, but I'm not buying that at all.
You thinking all the other pubs pay their staff above the minimum wage...think again !
 
Don't be silly fella, not everyone can afford to 'artisan microbrew pints' true, but then why go to that more extreme end. There are beers of all prices in between. But if you're that poor then maybe buying a 4 pack from asda is the answer, not lining Tim's pocket while he takes advantage of his workforce. You are allowing him to subjugate others into poverty.

I was brought up in a single parent family the eldest of 3, I had nothing until I was mid 20s. I worked my ass off and sacrificed, I worked on an evening to get me through Uni and got debt from it. I accept it should be easier to climb the tree of life, but it's also a lazy excuse to say you can't afford to be ethical. If you want it enough you can get a relatively comfortable income where these decisions are not about saving pennies.

I value money, I value it's worth, I value employees that pay their staff a fair wage....that isn't Tim and I won't support him in his workforce exploitation. I'm sure some wise-ass will say he is a wealth creator, but I'm not buying that at all.

Sorry Mart,

I know you're a good lad. Have been to the match with you a few times but your posts on this thread come across condescending AF.

Tim Martin is a bellend. Won't find many sensible people disagreeing with that comment. Id also agree he went way above just supporting brexit to a level inline with lobbying.

Was disgusting to hear about the initial way his staff were treated in regards to the 'get a job at tesco' lark too.

But you're essentially calling 900 pubs shyte and those that choose to attend for any reason (including money) as being selfish. That's just a little OTT.

For what is worth, I'm not backing Weatherspoons in any way. There's good and there's terrible. Probably more of the latter in my own experience but I always try as hard as possible as another person from humble beginnings; to not sneer at others.
 
Sorry Mart,

I know you're a good lad. Have been to the match with you a few times but your posts on this thread come across condescending AF.

Tim Martin is a bellend. Won't find many sensible people disagreeing with that comment. Id also agree he went way above just supporting brexit to a level inline with lobbying.

Was disgusting to hear about the initial way his staff were treated in regards to the 'get a job at tesco' lark too.

But you're essentially calling 900 pubs shyte and those that choose to attend for any reason (including money) as being selfish. That's just a little OTT.

For what is worth, I'm not backing Weatherspoons in any way. There's good and there's terrible. Probably more of the latter in my own experience but I always try as hard as possible as another person from humble beginnings; to not sneer at others.
I'm not saying everyone that goes to wetherspoons is doing it for selfish financial reasons, most people that go simply don't consider it. But my point earlier was about the poster saying he goes simply because of the cost, that is in spite of knowing the economics of Tim Martin's business model, exploitation of staff, Tesco comment, and extreme wealth. All 900 pubs crap? Probably not, haven't tried them all, but my top 30 pubs of all time don't include a single spoons. My local pubs, I don't go to spoons. The last time I went in one was because work colleagues went on a leaving do for some one. I had no choice, it was crap though.
 
and with that one comment you have highlighted the problem with those purporting to represent the less well off, working class and Labour grass roots. Looking down your nose at people who need to watch their spending and don't have the luxury or disposable income to be handing over £5 for a pint of "Fiddlers Persistent Offender" in some trendy craft ale micro pub.

Looking after your money is not a crime. It's something my grandparents and parents had to do all their lives. Looking for the bargains/free stuff and shopping where it was cheapest. I was brought up, one of six kids, in an ex colliery house in a former pit village in County Durham. You may have had the luxury to pick and choose where you spent your money but we, and everyone I grew up with, had fcuk all and grew up to respect money and value what we had and not just fritter it away unnecessarily.
If you said to your mam are we poor she would have given you a slap.
 
Tim Martin may be an absolute ****, but his business model is little different from many 'pile it high - sell it cheap' retailers, such as Tesco, Poundland or MacDonalds. Scale economies and buying power keeps costs low, low prices drive out competitors. Punters get a keenly priced product at the expense of choice.
 
The whole 'boycotting' thing is just a personal choice, it has to be. I get that people go there because they can't afford alternatives, nobody should be hectoring them, or anyone else, to boycott. We all have a free choice. It's a similar reason why vegans have a bit of a bad rep, from constantly trying to persuade others to follow suit. I do boycott things I don't agree with but perhaps we all need to live and let live a bit more. Apart from tolerating tories, obv.... ;)
 
It's a similar reason why vegans have a bit of a bad rep, from constantly trying to persuade others to follow suit.

Without wanting to open a can of worms, I find most vegans are relatively relaxed about other people eating meat - they only talk about their veganism when challenged by the "I love meat, me" brigade who insist about talking about how blue they like their steak and how they couldn't live without bacon.
 
Without wanting to open a can of worms, I find most vegans are relatively relaxed about other people eating meat - they only talk about their veganism when challenged by the "I love meat, me" brigade who insist about talking about how blue they like their steak and how they couldn't live without bacon.
No, I agree. I'm veggie, veering towards veganism myself. Was just using the popular myth to illustrate the point.
 
Some people don't have that luxury, alright for you driving round in your Tesla. A family of 4 who want to go out for tea might not be able to afford to eat out anywhere else.
If you want to boycott that's fine but don't lambast others who don't.
Get in the real world...
That's utter utter rubbish. I've had many years were I couldn't afford to eat out. So I just didn't eat out. What does the car I drive have to do with anything? Again, in case yiu haven't worked it out. This isn't a class warrior thing, that's your interest and not mine. Its about how the owner of the company behaves . Its a moral thing. Sad you can't see that
 
Tim Martin may be an absolute ****, but his business model is little different from many 'pile it high - sell it cheap' retailers, such as Tesco, Poundland or MacDonalds. Scale economies and buying power keeps costs low, low prices drive out competitors. Punters get a keenly priced product at the expense of choice.
..and quality, and often staff getting a fair wage, because margins are tight in this model they can't afford to pay well.
 
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