Premier league proposes reducing number of clubs 20 to 18 and scrapping the league cup

HolgateCorner said:
With us being locked out of the Riverside I’ve started watching the local non league clubs, I was at Guisborough Town the other night and Marske United yesterday and I’m thoroughly enjoying it.

If the likes of Liverpool and Man U think they are the be all and end all of football in this country and try to destroy the league pyramid structure in this country then it will come back to bite them.

I think the premier league is in big trouble, it has been ruined by money, it is becoming a poorer competition by the year and a lot of the matches even those involving the big teams are nondescript. The money has become far more important than the football. It is an unsustainable approach.
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Spot on mate.(y)
Im sure the world went crazy when Bournemouth were playing Burnley in East Lancs on a wet Tuesday night! Murdoch`s SKY are ultimately the bankers, so the English Premier League are the brokers in our country.
Flippin mercenaries!

HANDS OFF OUR NATIONAL GAME!!!!Sky!!!.jpg
 
Uwefuchs said:
I think the clubs in the Premier league know that the big income is from TV revenue, especially the Asian Market.

Do they care about the traditional fans becoming sick of it?

Give it 20 years and you'll have a new breed of football fan with people choosing their team rather than it being something passed down through generations and through local ties.

You look at how sky have pushed the NFL in this country, you see British fans with no ties to American cities having their favourite teams.

The Jacksonville Jaguars didn't exist when the Premier league was formed now they have 50 thousand members of their UK fan club. It just shows how quickly you can create new teams, new versions of a league and how quickly you can create a fanbase.

With Sky pushing the agenda the young kids will have no interest in a second rate league that you can't get promoted out of.
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That's a really good point. I imagine most of us bemoaning this are in our 40s and 50s. I still hate the whole idea, but can see it appealing to the young uns brought up on MMA and Youtube influencers🙄
 
Otto42 said:
That's a really good point. I imagine most of us bemoaning this are in our 40s and 50s. I still hate the whole idea, but can see it appealing to the young uns brought up on MMA and Youtube influencers🙄
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I think your view probably depends on how you gauge the success of something.

If you think success for the premier league or the top clubs like Man U and Liverpool is measured by earnings and money then you will not have much argument with the proposal.

If you think success for the premier league is a high quality competitive league which properly respects the roots of football in this country and that the teams represent local communities around the country then you will be completely turned off.

One thing is for sure though, the clubs below the top six will survive and thrive, it does not really matter for them if the money clubs join the YouTube League.
 
So what you are all saying is to tell them to **** off and we'll get by without your £250m.
Give your heads a F***ing shake.

If you want the EFL to be decimated keep your head stuck in the sand.
If you don't start think seriously about where the money is coming from to keep EFL teams solvent in the next few months.

There's another thread on here tonight pointing out that Ryan Shotton hasn't got a contract yet. He's not the only one and this time next year there will be hundreds more.

Football and life is changing and the sooner we all come to terms with that the better for everyone.
 
It's a bit of a curate's egg. I like the end of parachute payments and the EFL 25% revenue share. The promotion/relegation rewrite is small beer, less keen on a revision of voting rights but at least it's a basis for negotiation. David Conn addresses this here
 
And the Premier League "Big TWO" are exploiting the vulnerable at their weakest, in order to take English football by the balls and take control of it for their own self interests.
Its like thanking a snake for giving you an antibody to its venom after its just bitten you.
No thanks.
 
norfolkngood said:
So what you are all saying is to tell them to **** off and we'll get by without your £250m.
Give your heads a F***ing shake.

If you want the EFL to be decimated keep your head stuck in the sand.
If you don't start think seriously about where the money is coming from to keep EFL teams solvent in the next few months.

There's another thread on here tonight pointing out that Ryan Shotton hasn't got a contract yet. He's not the only one and this time next year there will be hundreds more.

Football and life is changing and the sooner we all come to teEFL clubs have become infested with that the better for everyone.
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The proposal will keep the EFL going only to complete its transformation into the PL's training ground, a process that has been going on for the last decade as the EFL has become infested with PL loanees .
 
In two years we’ll be living in huxley’s Brave New World watching Rollerball. If this happens, as much as i love Boro, I’ll turn my back on football forever.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
What I fins astonishing is that Rick Parry has endorsed this proposal, seemingly without canvassing views from the EFL membership.

I would have thought he was there to represent the clubs within the EFL, not peddle his own personal views?
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He is being interviewed just after 8am on Radio 5 Live. They are inviting questions.
 
The more I read this the more it seems that Parry is the brains behind this. He says it will benefit the EFL, but given his past you have to question his motives. It undoubtedly weakens the Premier League as an entity, but strengthens the big six. It is a bit of a repeat of how David Dein and co used the FA to shaft the Football League back in the day, this time the Glaziers and Fenway are using the EFL to shaft the Premier League.

At the end of the day the big six won't be satisfied until they negotiate deals individually and are guaranteed to remain elite forever. It's clubs like Wolves and Leicester who lose most from this and it would have seriously harmed us twenty years ago. It certainly decreases our chances of ever getting back to our 90s early noughties glory days, but does anyone ever think that could happen any way?
 
Uwefuchs said:
What will be the point of watching the Boro?
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For me the same as now, because it is my team and I am emotionally invested in them for fourty years plus. It may be pointless to a new audience I agree and if things were as they are now in the 70s I doubt I would have become a Boro fan in the same way.....ie: going to games and sometimes obsessively following minutiae!
 
He's just been on R4 Today prog, albeit briefly. As I mentioned above, there are attractive features in the proposition. My main concern is not the immediate effect of the proposed package but the long term effects of the change in voting rights. This is a Trojan horse which would allow the elite clubs to push through more controversial measures in future.
 
ThePrisoner said:
The proposal will keep the EFL going only to complete its transformation into the PL's training ground, a process that has been going on for the last decade as the EFL has become infested with PL loanees .
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So what is the alternative? No crowds, maybe for the whole season, means that every club in the lower leagues is on the brink. It's not a though there's any legal requirement for the Prem League to support the other teams, the entire football league is reliant on the largess of the Prem League. I agree the football league teams need to negotiate hard, but there is no other alternative. It's this or oblivion for many of them. And why should the Prem League teams help out anyway when - for the most part - the football league teams have been the architects of their own problems by overpaying players.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I'm sure Steve Gibson has a view on Parry's support for this, I wonder how many other EFL clubs will feel the same.
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Of course Parry has consulted with the EFL clubs on this. If he hasnt then his job would be untenable. I suspect the majority of EFL clubs are in favour such is their desperate plight. .
 
Soutra said:
So what is the alternative? No crowds, maybe for the whole season, means that every club in the lower leagues is on the brink. It's not a though there's any legal requirement for the Prem League to support the other teams, the entire football league is reliant on the largess of the Prem League. I agree the football league teams need to negotiate hard, but there is no other alternative. It's this or oblivion for many of them. And why should the Prem League teams help out anyway when - for the most part - the football league teams have been the architects of their own problems by overpaying players.
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The system has created the behaviour Soutra. Yes many clubs have behaved irrationally in their desperation to reach the promised land. Inevitable given the huge gap in funding between the EPL and the EFL. Once pandoras box was created in 1992 we have slowly been moving towards this and yes I agree many EFL clubs will see this as a way out.
 
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