Scientists confirm 1/3 of Covid deaths incorrect

Londons_Moggie said:
During July and August they have. I would not be surprised if they have been misreported since day one. I suspect eventually we’ll find this out
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I read that they believe that a third may have died from another primary cause, however have the caveat that it is very hard to determine the effect covid had on that primary cause e.g a leukemia sufferer dying of pneumonia while having covid.

Its not black and white, which is the problem with reporting accuracy.
 
No inkling of a non Covid19 cause?

I heard an Australian health scientist a few weeks back talking about a drop in traditional virus' such as flu due to the amount of cleansing going on. I wonder if the same has happened here?
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
No inkling of a non Covid19 cause?

I heard an Australian health scientist a few weeks back talking about a drop in traditional virus' such as flu due to the amount of cleansing going on. I wonder if the same as happened here?
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There are no figures for flu but ONS reports flu/pneumonia cases combined.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
No inkling of a non Covid19 cause?

I heard an Australian health scientist a few weeks back talking about a drop in traditional virus' such as flu due to the amount of cleansing going on. I wonder if the same has happened here?
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I suspect this is true as people are social distancing, washing hands more etc. It could also be that flu deaths are being recorded as Covid keeping flu numbers lower?
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I suspect this is true as people are social distancing, washing hands more etc. It could also be that flu deaths are being recorded as Covid keeping flu numbers lower?
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Very flu deaths are ever recorded. They are mainly estimated from excess deaths. The ONS are going to have a lot of difficulty in unravelling this next year.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
I suspect this is true as people are social distancing, washing hands more etc. It could also be that flu deaths are being recorded as Covid keeping flu numbers lower?
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I thought you had to be tested positive for Covid19 rather than a guess made into the cause of death for it to be recorded?
 
We had Alvez 48 continuing this theme for a long time but the lad had an agenda. he is banned now as started to lose his temper when challenged.

It's best to wait until we get concrete facts, it encourages people to not give one about it, which at the moment is dangerous for people.
 
ticker_tape said:
We had Alvez 48 continuing this theme for a long time but the lad had an agenda. he is banned now as started to lose his temper when challenged.

It's best to wait until we get concrete facts, it encourages people to not give one about it, which at the moment is dangerous for people.
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I'm not banned I just choose not to post anymore, what's the point everyones opinions are already cemented.
 
you have wonder the accuracy of the Covid tests -- kind of like the handball rule that FIFA just put in place-- hits finger - penna.
 
Oh and seeing as I'm still logged in @ticker_tape I didn't have an agenda you're just an old hack who thinks they know some stuff.
I spoke in facts months ago and have been repeatedly proven right. Now I'm off to the real world again or as you call it 'banned'. #yourefulloffakenews
 
The day they reported on the BBC that a guy aged 105 had died of Covid I stopped believing what they were saying. He died cos he was a hundred and friggin five ffs 🙄
 
So, reading the research summary on the CEBM website, we learn the following:
  • The research relates to deaths certified by 28th August with Covid mentioned on the death certificate, which is an entirely different metric from the deaths within 28 days of a positive test figure reported daily by the government.
  • The research doesn't "confirm 1/3 of covid deaths incorrect" as claimed by the OP. It actually states that, since the start of the pandemic, 7.8% of deaths with Covid mentioned on the death certificate did not have it listed as the cause of death.
  • It then finds that this figure rose to 28.8% in the eight weeks between 10th July and 28th August. This is where the headline of "almost a third of Covid deaths" comes from but, as we know, the vast majority of Covid deaths occurred well in advance of this period.
  • As deaths were lower during the summer, it would seem entirely plausible that there might be a higher proportion of deaths that had Covid on the death certificate but were not directly caused by it during this period.
  • None of the above means those death certificates were "incorrect". In fact, if anything it demonstrates that doctors are taking all relevant facts into consideration when certifying deaths, only putting Covid as the underlying cause of death when they believe it has directly caused the individual's death.
  • When I went to school, 28.8% was a lot closer to one-quarter than one-third (notwithstanding the fact that this figure is for a specific 8-week period, after the time that most deaths occurred).
 
Londons_Moggie said:
So you think more people have died from Covid than the figures suggest? What were their deaths recorded as then?
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We knocked 5,000 people off the figures under the pretence that covid only kills within 28 days. When we know of many healthy people, including on this board, who have long covid symptoms that in an ill person could certainly kill them 3-6 months later
 
How unusual, another user name, havent seen BR14 for a while either another anti lockdown Covid hoax looney. Soon surfaced this infrequent poster. Liked by.....hmmm thats our well disliked Tory shill repeating the same stuff ... caught with 4 names now, a little Tory gang. A useless one too.
 
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Whats the excess death figure running at for the year now? I thought that was the metric the government said to monitor as it was most accurate and takes out the potential for erroneous diagnosis.

The fact is that at peak covid, the excess death rate was running very high and reduced significantly after significant measures were put in place. A large amount of people died during this period of, or because of the disease. Anecdotes about friends who had Covid on their death certificate when they died of other causes does not explain away thousands of excess deaths.

@Alvez_48 , good to see you posting. I think what you say challenges most of my thinking, and I am appreciative of that because it makes me question it too.
 
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