Testing & this government

I think we all hope the pandemic is over Zendieta, I don't think it is, to be honest, but hope you are right, I would take issue with the statement the governments actions early in the pandemic could be, arguably, admirable, with today's leaked email from Vallance. The government didn't follow his advice and he was reprimanded and put back in his box.
I think we all hope the pandemic is over Zendieta, I don't think it is, to be honest, but hope you are right, I would take issue with the statement the governments actions early in the pandemic could be, arguably, admirable, with today's leaked email from Vallance. The government didn't follow his advice and he was reprimanded and put back in his box.

I just read a couple of articles regards Vallance (as you stated). It's the first I have read and very interesting. I have little opinion on the timing of lockdown as I am genuinely not informed enough to know how much difference an earlier/later lockdown would have made overall.

I think I was trying to say that the philosophy on a lockdown cannot be an easy decision for a government to make (in my opinion), especially the first one. Interesting stuff though.
 
On that you are right, it was a tough decision to make, unfortunately over weeks and months leading up to and after lockdown the government message was inconsistent and confusing.

I agree had the government been open and honest most people would have understood. The lies around testing are for one reason only, to cover up incompetence and failure to deliver on promises made. Trust has been eroded to such an extent I cannot see Johnson recovering.
 
On that you are right, it was a tough decision to make, unfortunately over weeks and months leading up to and after lockdown the government message was inconsistent and confusing.

I agree had the government been open and honest most people would have understood. The lies around testing are for one reason only, to cover up incompetence and failure to deliver on promises made. Trust has been eroded to such an extent I cannot see Johnson recovering.

I agree with the entirety of your statement there. I think that is spot on.
 
People will be sat at home on zero pay isolating with symptoms when they cant get a test, must be a real kick in the teeth hearing that
...or, even worse, they'll be going to work because they can't afford the time off.
 
It is borderline criminal that we've been aware of this virus for the best part of 9 months and seen how deadly it can be for at least 6 months and yet we're still not geared up to cope with it.
I can't see any benefit to these continuing local lockdowns from an economic standpoint and if I had to suggest a reason for them it would be in order to compensate for the ongoing inability to cope with infections we know about, nevermind those we don't.
We're just like the US in that respect and given some of the murmurings coming from the Trump camp about herd immunity then I'd be more concerned that we'll see how they do in regards to the death toll first and then see if we can revert to our original plan. With the high levels of asymptomatic cases it might just become a case of balancing the books in a grim profit and loss situation.
I'm not sure of the veracity of the figures, but the US is currently running at something like a 2.8% mortality rate for deaths Vs positives and even if they got that down to 1% you'd be looking at predictions of about 2M American deaths to get herd immunity. Would 300 and odd thousand potential UK Covid deaths be acceptable?
 
With a virus we keep getting told we know hardly anything about, what if herd immunity doesnt work with this one...awful lot of lives to destroy trying on the off chance 🤔
 
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I have no shame in admitting that I believe the pandemic is over. The government appear hell-bent on continuing this trend of fear.
What possible reason would the government ( and those around the world) have for dragging this out any further than necessary?
The handling of the pandemic by this government has been appalling but at the same time sometimes something happens that can't be fully predicted or dealt with immediately and comprehensively even without mistakes. We are lucky in this country that our lives are generally so unaffected by wars, plagues, droughts and natural disasters that we expect everything to be taken care of. Sometimes it can't be.
Those hoping/expecting this to be "all over by Christmas" better buckle up. Our lives won't be back to normal for years.
 
With a virus we keep getting told we know hardly anything about, what if herd immunity doesnt work with this one...awful lot of lives to destroy trying on the off chance 🤔
Oh I'm dead set against the idea Keelo, but you only have to read some posts on here to see that some would be more open to the idea than myself.
I'd consider it a thinning of the herd approach if we were to even try it. If deaths don't track rising cases once you've allowed for any lag then I think the idea might become more palatable to some in government.
 
What possible reason would the government ( and those around the world) have for dragging this out any further than necessary?
The handling of the pandemic by this government has been appalling but at the same time sometimes something happens that can't be fully predicted or dealt with immediately and comprehensively even without mistakes. We are lucky in this country that our lives are generally so unaffected by wars, plagues, droughts and natural disasters that we expect everything to be taken care of. Sometimes it can't be.
Those hoping/expecting this to be "all over by Christmas" better buckle up. Our lives won't be back to normal for years.

I know, it really is a brilliant question. I'm hoping that the government soon publish the data to justify the actions. Then the debate will go away. It is definitely turning into a bit of a rumble between the experts.
 
My girlfriend is in the police and can’t get a test, she has symptoms and has tried for days. I probably wouldn’t even bother trying to get a test, I certainly wouldn’t go sick at work to isolate either especially whilst I’m at risk of redundancy. Not really interested in anything the government says about Covid any more. It’s gone from protect the NHS back in March to put your life on hold, lose your job, your business and your home because the government have wasted half a year.
 
Did Jacob Rees-Mogg just say we should celebrate the "success" of the UK's Test & Trace system? I think he did! Perhaps it's time Boris found himself a new fag, before young Jakey's kneepads wear out.
 
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