People knocking Teessiders for voting for Houchen.

Norfolkred1 said:
How very dare you go against the grain on this board and see the wider implications on what Teesside has to offer and be very logical in your thinking. Even some of the board ADMIN, even though, meant to be impartial, hate the thought of the Houch having some power in the Tees Valley, because he wears a blue tie, trying to make this depleted area great again, rather than being a stagnant area it has been for the last few decades and shame on that them for that attitude. This board has become a sheep mentality when it comes to politics. NOT ONE voted for BREXIT and NOT ONE voted for the Conservative party in the last election, yeah right, more hypocrites. I can see why popular ex members like Erimus left this board because of the rancid board it has become. Happy to receive to the grief for this post but could not give a flying fook about it. This board has being going down the pan for the last few years anyway.
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Why are the board admin meant to be impartial?
 
sambaDTR said:
Teesside was the first area to vote for a Metropolitan Mayor in 2017 under the Conservatives idea to try to get votes in the North. No other region was interested at the time. We needed it. That is why we got money for the last 7 years over Newcastle and Yorkshire who now, unsurprisingly, now want their share of the pie. We all know most of the money would have gone to Newcastle if they had applied for it in 2017.
Forget about the politics. Teesside will, hopefully, benefit because Houchen is staying in charge. At least it keeps the rest of the Country talking about Teesside. We are Teesside, an anomaly. We have only been here about 150 years built on iron and steel and ICI. It will be interesting to see what happens when Labour get into Government this year but they will have to look after us now. We will not be ignored. (y)
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Can't you see you're contradicting yourself?
Can't you see that Houchen will get nothing when a Labour Govt is in place in a few months time?
Can't you see how much of a disaster voting for Houchen will be because of this?

The best thing for the region for all sorts of reasons would have been a Labour Mayor but "politics" aside as you put it Houchen getting back in is the worst thing that could have happened.
 
On The Bob said:
I caught up with some friends yesterday and the subject got onto the election - all voted for Houchen. I quickly realised I was in the minority at the table. To be honest, I couldn’t be bothered challenging it as it wasn’t worth my time and disruption to my breakfast.

What I quickly realised though is that to the every day voter, who aren’t hugely engaged in politics (which I would say is true of my mates in this instance) is they see the headlines in The Gazette and follow Houchens social media etc. (which he keeps completely locked down of any criticism by deleting posts and blocking people) and they buy it.

Likewise, a lot still feel really let down by Labour over the years and that criticism is shared amongst circles and is hard to shift. Some of it justified some of it just because it’s a narrative they’ve heard pushed by friends etc. and they’ve jumped on the bandwagon.

Houchen is a corrupt fat slug in my eyes, but the average every day voter isn’t buying copies of Private eye. They’re blind to some of the other stuff.

They see the airport, they see what’s happening at Tees works and they see those as really positive things.

I do think labelling people as thick or bad people for voting a particular way is counter productive. It just pushes people further back into their views.

That said, my mates voted Houchen for what they see as “delivery” of getting things done - they read the headlines. They don’t necessarily scrutinise the finer detail / reality of what’s actually happening. I don’t see many of them voting Tories at the next election either. It was a vote for Houchen, nothing more.

They’re living in echo chambers - the same as the left (myself included at times). How you break that, I’m not too sure. People seem to become more tribal as time goes on and it’s got to the point where I find it a waste of time debating these things with friends.
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The problem it seems to me was that yet again Labour has taken us for granted and expected us to vote for them,so there yet again didn't put someone up against Ben who had even a tiny bit of charisma or any PR presence.

How did there expect to win when even I who is a Labour voter couldn't tell you what there campaign was about.

Accept we lost and move on,but the problem is people don't seem to accept defeat nowadays.
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
Ive never met anyone ever from Darlo or Pools who referenced or called themselves 'Teessiders' - ever.

as for the 'teesside' diaspora - they have every-right to comment and reference - its the same for every group of people the globe over, - the very idea of any rebuke to that position from the party of 'open comment and speech' is not quite so surprising.
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I'm from Darlo and I'm a Teessider. There you go 👍
 
kader63 said:
The problem it seems to me was that yet again Labour has taken us for granted and expected us to vote for them,so there yet again didn't put someone up against Ben who had even a tiny bit of charisma or any PR presence.

How did there expect to win when even I who is a Labour voter couldn't tell you what there campaign was about.

Accept we lost and move on,but the problem is people don't seem to accept defeat nowadays.
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Labour hasn't taken anyone for granted. They're not in power and haven't been for a very long. Even at a local level they're haven't had control of some of the councils for large parts of the last 10 years.

Darlington, Stockton, Redcar, Hartlepool and Middlesbrough have Tory MPs.
 
kader63 said:
Accept we lost and move on,but the problem is people don't seem to accept defeat nowadays.
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This is not about accepting defeat, the better man won and supportive pats on the back. It's about an area, that we live in and we all care about being under the spell of at best a demonstrable bungling fool, or at worst a manipulative crook.

In this case he colour of a rosette don't even come into it. It's not sour grapes, it's real concern.
 
SE4 Red said:
Labour hasn't taken anyone for granted. They're not in power and haven't been for a very long. Even at a local level they're haven't had control of some of the councils for large parts of the last 10 years.

Darlington, Stockton, Redcar, Hartlepool and Middlesbrough have Tory MPs.
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The real answer is labour haven't taken people for granted, they just don't have tens of thousands of pounds for constant leaflets, boards on farmland, huge social media ads etc
 
kader63 said:
The problem it seems to me was that yet again Labour has taken us for granted and expected us to vote for them,so there yet again didn't put someone up against Ben who had even a tiny bit of charisma or any PR presence.

How did there expect to win when even I who is a Labour voter couldn't tell you what there campaign was about.

Accept we lost and move on,but the problem is people don't seem to accept defeat nowadays.
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There's a couple of things I need to take up with you here and I'm not intending to cause any offence.

The Labour Party did not 'put up' Chris McEwan against Houchen. Candidate selection was entirely a local issue.

There were alternatives to Chris McEwan and Labour Party members in the Tees Valley had a choice. Personally I voted for Luke Henman, not Chris. Luke is younger, more energetic and has a trade union background. But once Chris was elected, everyone got behind him.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that you won't win the raffle unless you buy a ticket.
 
zzzzz said:
Can't you see that Houchen will get nothing when a Labour Govt is in place in a few months time?
Can't you see how much of a disaster voting for Houchen will be because of this?
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Labour will be shooting themselves in the foot locally if that's how they decide to go about the issue. They have nationally been willing to get in to bed with the enemy on various issues such as Gaza, I hope for the people of the Tees Valley they decide that the welfare and prosperity of them is more important than taking down the poster boy.
 
bencha said:
Houchen was given funding from Johnson as Johnson prioritised Teesside as the typical red wall seats that he thought he had converted to toryism. In the new political landscape after the general election, Houchen and Teesside will be isolated. I'm sure Labour will conduct an independent investigation of Houchen through the NAO and not coke head Goves. It will be very interesting to see what happens.
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Wouldn't hold your breath. The NAO looked at each of Thatcher's give away privatisations in turn, and the dial of public accountability scarcely trembled.
 
In a previous life part one of my jobs was to have been present ( learning the job) in “negotiations” when in American big cities, especially NYC, with unions, ie the Mafia. For it was they!!
This Teesport thing with all its machinations and massive sums of untraceable money, smells
 
Ziggy said:
In a previous life part one of my jobs was to have been present ( learning the job) in “negotiations” when in American big cities, especially NYC, with unions, ie the Mafia. For it was they!!
This Teesport thing with all its machinations and massive sums of untraceable money, smells
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Freeports are well known for harbouring money laundering operations.
 
Norfolkred1 said:
I can see why popular ex members like Erimus left this board because of the rancid board it has become. Happy to receive to the grief for this post but could not give a flying fook about it. This board has being going down the pan for the last few years anyway.
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Love a good drunken 2am rant.

Putting the politics aside, this is the most Friendly, Funny, open, busy message board I’ve been on.

Where people can talk about anything that’s on their mind(the support Sadgit, Viv, Legz have got recently), and we help each other out.

There’s a Facebook group calling itself “This is Teesside” Nah…THIS board is Teesside.

Is it because your “Mob” don’t control it?

Is it because the “Mob” are trying to monopolise security at the Airport with hastily created companies waiting for Houchen cash?

Is it because the “Mob” have loyalty to one political party and one party alone?

Is it because the “Mob” hate open dialogue despite spending billions to defend it in other parts of the world?

Well, what is it?
 
The stupidity of Teesside will always astound, voting to shoot themselves in the feet.

The fatcat who is Houchen will continue to grift, steal and hand Teesside development money to his mates.

May the NAO see him to the gallows.
 
It's going to be bloodletting isn't it, I wish both parties and their fanatical supporters would **** off!!!
 
m3t4tr0n said:
It's like the entire area has mass Stockholm syndrome.
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Maybe it needs to be renamed - Stockton Syndrome

SE4 Red said:
What's happening in Hartlepool /Redcar? The region is on its knees after 14 years of a Tory government, and 7/8 years of a Tory regional mayor, but Teesside seems to like it that way.
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The Tory MPs and Mayor are adept at blaming everything on the Local Councils and there's nothing/no-one holding them to account. They're also able to promise improvement with impunity because, again, they blame the councils when the improvements aren't made. Jacob Young has been promising to sort out Redcar's rail junctions for years.

Labour's media engagement is ****-poor - certainly on Facebook & Twitter. Forever missing the target and no coordinated approach to dealing with the lies.

ThatFragranceGuy said:
The real answer is labour haven't taken people for granted, they just don't have tens of thousands of pounds for constant leaflets, boards on farmland, huge social media ads etc
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It doesn't cost a lot to create a media package that gets pushed consistently. I've seen Labour councillors derailing facebook/twitter threads where members of the public have been hauling the local Tory MPs and Houchen over the coals. They just provide an easy out.

And they have taken people for granted by standing an uninspiring candidate - presumably as a reward for services rendered to Labour?

Where were they expecting the votes to come from if they weren't taking them for granted.

Labour are as much to blame for Mayoral result as anyone.
 
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