There would be calls of assault and prosecution if a male coach pushed a female coach in this way.
Emma Hayes
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There is now?
S7DiscoDown
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She's just used to having her own way for years.
The obvious fallout from this is what would be said had it been the other way around? Man attacks women? Sexual assault? Yet it appears to be just a 'spat' because she shoved him.
It should be an absolute nothing story. Two managers having a pop at each other. It happens every week in one league or another.
Yet typically this has been made all about 'gender' and so called male bullying. F*ck off
. She's in the wrong. Although doubt anyone in the media has the balls to say it (excuse the pun).
The obvious fallout from this is what would be said had it been the other way around? Man attacks women? Sexual assault? Yet it appears to be just a 'spat' because she shoved him.
It should be an absolute nothing story. Two managers having a pop at each other. It happens every week in one league or another.
Yet typically this has been made all about 'gender' and so called male bullying. F*ck off
. She's in the wrong. Although doubt anyone in the media has the balls to say it (excuse the pun).Not necessarily. Under Law 12, a team official can be cautioned for:
So I'd say it's very much a referee's judgement call on whether to caution him for that specific incident.
If they only leave their team's technical area occasionally, the law only calls for a warning.
BoroMart
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It’s clearly /persistently. That’s and/or. So should you clearly leave, I.e. leaving the area by a a good margin, entering another teams technical area etc, or by leaving the area it draws the refs attention. Then yes just the once and you can be booked.
Saying that the yellow he got was harsh. He went to the 4th official to complain at “gamesmanship” from Chelsea. He didn’t enter the pitch, or interfere with any players.
The origin of this is pre-match, Arsenal wanted multi ball, Chelsea wanted single ball. Chelsea won that decision prior to kick off. However at 1-0 down, Chelsea suddenly started to grab the closest spare ball around the outside, to speed the game up. That’s pure cheating. The Arsenal manger went to the fourth official to complain at this and got booked. He didn’t enter the pitch, he didn’t approach any Chelsea player. In fact the Chelsea RB approached him to scream abuse. It’s weak officiating for me, a manager should have the right to make a complaint of cheating to a 4th official without any recourse. As long as he doesn’t abuse the official.
Hayes team cheated, and still lost, Hayes tried to cover these two facts up with deflection by playing the misogyny card. She’s an ass
atypical_boro
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Ha, great choice of phrase. CDWM?She's incredibly preachy. Could do with taking some advice from other people on board every so often. All the grace and decorum of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on
atypical_boro
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Olivia Colman recently claimed she would definitely be paid **** loads more if she was a man.
On what grounds? I’d imagine her earnings have dwarfed Mitchell and Webb’s since they were all in Peep Show together.
I can’t stand the way some people just can’t resist bringing identity politics into EVERYthing, as Hayes has done here.
She was on Fantasy Football last month and I didn’t find her enormously endearing to be honest. Clearly she was emotional here, but she probably doesn’t know (or care) how much damage comments like that can do to people.
You've just done what you said you hate. Two completely unrelated woman now validate your world view are to blame
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atypical_boro
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It’s two people who cannot resist the urge to bring identity politics into everything. They do both happen to be women, and lots of men do it too.
BoroMart
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I’m not sure they do bring “identity politics into everything”. I’ve heard Colman speak many times and not mention gender. It is absolutely true that women actors get paid significantly less though. She isn’t wrong and why shouldn’t she be annoyed about that?
atypical_boro
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She isn’t wrong about the point generally. Women actors are generally paid less than men.
Her assertion that she herself was being paid less because she isn’t a man, is a huge assumption based on nothing scientific. She actually said “phuck loads less” which again, isn’t based on anything.
The idea that every single woman would be paid more if they were a man isn’t accurate. Or at least, it’s as accurate as saying that every man is physically stronger than every woman (which is also obviously not true).
At least you're honest about your own desire to bring identity politics into everything then
atypical_boro
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BoroMart
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It quite often gets released what actors get paid for movies, she may even have the same agent as some similar calibre or lower actors. I’m sure she is well aware how her pay is relative to men. Far more knowledge than you or I have.
She’s got an Oscar, BAFTAs, emmys and golden globes, she should really be at the top end of her profession paywise and she has an awareness that she isn’t. She isn’t talking about every woman, she’s talking about herself
atypical_boro
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I have no doubt at all that she earns less than plenty of woman actors who don’t have the same awards that she has either. She probably earns more than some men who’ve won loads as well.
Because Hollywood doesn’t pay based on awards, necessarily. It pays on who is going to draw the most dosh. If she was a man, would she draw more dosh? I’m not sure what evidence there is for that. It would depend on a number of other factors.
It’s no different to the argument about men and women footballers. Sure, maybe one day we’ll get to a point where both are earning the same, but it’s a long way off.
BoroMart
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Ah capitalism rules, meritocracy sucks, got it
atypical_boro
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I didn’t design the system mate. Or do you think Emma Hayes should earn what Pep does? Her achievements are also pretty unrivalled aren’t they? That would be a true meritocracy.
My point is she has no idea what she’d earn if she was a bloke. She isn’t wrong that men generally earn more than women and that’s a societal problem in general, but it’s not necessarily something she personally has been a victim of.
You say you hate identify politics but now you're using a point made by Olivia Coleman, a woman, to assign a value to Emma Hayes, another woman.