Brian Clough

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I’m sure some of the board are mature enough to have seen Brian clough play.

Why did Brian only ever play in the second tier?
His goal record was fantastic.

Did any big clubs ever come in for him?

Was he good enough to play in the top tier?
 
I love the Cloughie stories on YouTube, there's hundreds on him, main from when he was a manager though.
 
The 'lower' leagues weren't as disregarded back then as they are these days. MotD for example (which was pretty much the only TV coverage on offer), often showed matches from division 3 and 4, and press coverage was more equally shared so I suppose the lure of playing in the top flight wasn't the be all and end all it seems to be today. And as Corcaigh mentioned, players were more loyal to their clubs, they didn't have agents constantly in their ears badgering them for the next big money move etc.
 
The 'lower' leagues weren't as disregarded back then as they are these days. MotD for example often showed matches from division 3 and 4, and press coverage was more equally shared, so I suppose the lure of playing in the top flight wasn't the be all and end all it seems to be today. And as Corcaigh mentioned, players were more loyal to their clubs, they didn't have agents constantly in their ears badgering them for the next big money move etc.

Clough openly demanded transfers all the time, he just wasn't granted them.

No top flight club came in for him when the club had finally had enough.

Brilliant player for Boro, but I'm not sure you could describe it as loyalty when he wanted out for most of his time here.
 
Clough openly demanded transfers all the time, he just wasn't granted them.

No top flight club came in for him when the club had finally had enough.

Brilliant player for Boro, but I'm not sure you could describe it as loyalty when he wanted out for most of his time here.
He still turned up and played to be fair, and extremely well from looking at his goal tally.

It's understandable for him to have wanted to play at a higher level though, but maybe thoughts like that were before his time, now it's a given.
 
He still turned up and played to be fair, and extremely well from looking at his goal tally.

It's understandable for him to have wanted to play at a higher level though, but maybe thoughts like that were before his time, now it's a given.

Yeah, I'm not questioning his ability or effort and I don't blame him for eventually wanting to move on, it's just clearly not because of loyalty that he remained at Middlesbrough as long as he did.
 
I saw all of Clough’s home games for Boro and I have not seen a more deadly goal scorer to this day.
He always gave 100% when he played , and when most of the Boro players signed a round robin (courageous bunch) letter demanding his removal as captain, it was generally assumed he was letting the side down by trying too hard.

I do not remember Brian Clough repeatedly asking for a move - are you mixing him up with Mannion who did demand a move quite often? It is a matter of record that Clough went to Sunderland and was a consistent scorer for the Mackems.
I am sure however that some of his goals were in the old First Division.
 
I saw all of Clough’s home games for Boro and I have not seen a more deadly goal scorer to this day.
He always gave 100% when he played , and when most of the Boro players signed a round robin (courageous bunch) letter demanding his removal as captain, it was generally assumed he was letting the side down by trying too hard.

I do not remember Brian Clough repeatedly asking for a move - are you mixing him up with Mannion who did demand a move quite often? It is a matter of record that Clough went to Sunderland and was a consistent scorer for the Mackems.
I am sure however that some of his goals were in the old First Division.

It was in his biography that he frequently put in transfer requests whilst here, they were just all rejected until the Sunderland move.

He even put one in during his first senior season.

He actually sold the story that he was requesting a move to the Gazette for £50 before doing so.
 
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Yeah, I'm not questioning his ability or effort and I don't blame him for eventually wanting to move on, it's just clearly not because of loyalty that he remained at Middlesbrough as long as he did.
I dunno, still staying with a club and performing, wanting the club to do well, but wanting to better yourself is still pretty loyal I would say, or as loyal as someone could be expected to be. Maybe being quantified as loyal is going the extra mile, but this is probably asking too much for someone's career, so someone not hitting the "loyal" bar, isn't really a put down?

Players had less power then, but it wasn't necessarily a good thing, and when counterbalanced with short careers it makes it even worse. If players don't submit a transfer request then the club might have no idea that they want to better themselves, there's no harm in that, it's just honesty I think.

Nearly everyone who classes themself as loyal, would want a better job, with a better company, if they could get one, whether they ask for it or not, it's all the same. But they either don't try as they're lazy, and have it easy or they think they're not good enough to go for the role they want. I wouldn't exactly say sticking with a company and underperforming or being disruptive is loyal either, this is probably disloyal, loads of people do this these days, and most or untouchable if they do the bare minimum, which is often a low bar.

There are not many people in the world who wilfully take less money, at a lesser company, at a lesser standard, out of the good of their heart. Sure there are plenty who accept it, but plenty would leave or go for better if they had the chance.

He was clearly playing out of his skin, so even if that's playing for a move I'm fine with that, as everyone wins, that's loyal enough for me. What I would consider more disloyal is throwing out your teddies, not performing or not even turning up, so the club is forced into a sale or letting you rot etc. We've had quite a few like this.

Nowadays good players have relegation release clauses etc, and I don't think that's being disloyal, it's just a fair trade for services.

People don't question Juninho's loyalty (and they shouldn't), and he did the same thing basically, except possibly had a clause guaranteeing it. Sure he came back, but only when we were in the prem.
 
I wonder if Middlesbrough's goalkeeper at that time might explain why Cloughie was so keen on a move?
Maybe because he kept shipping loads of goals? Not saying that was his fault mind, the defence in those days must have been terrible. It's mad how someone can score 40, like 5 seasons in a row, and the team not finish above 5th. I'd have been ***ed off too.
 
any evidence for that ?


He wanted to leave because as fast as he was scoring the defence was letting them in - and it wasnt cos of ability.

defenders were being paid off to let goals in - its all in the records - corruption/brown envelopes

it all seemed to end in english football with the sine-die for Peter Swann an England International at Sheff Wed..

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There's the direct quote in the biography from the Gazette.

He'd barely played for the club at that point, so you can't blame it on the dodgy defence.
 
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