The relationship between club and fans

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Recent weeks have shown that the club needs to look at the way it operates. I also think that we, as fans, collectively, need to be very careful as well. We take the **** out of certain other neighbouring clubs for their fans' outrage and unrealistic expectation. I think we can be just as guilty of it.
It's clear that the club walks a tightrope financially and, personally, I think that we'd be in a lower division were it not for the benevolence of our owner/s. I also think that, as fans, we can create an atmosphere around the club .... when we're good, we're very very good and the team tries to respond accordingly. I think that negativity amongst the fans can also generate a feedback effect with and around the club and the team. We know for certain that people at the club, from the chairman to the players to staff read this board. The people who post on here are only a very small sample of the Boro fanbase, but I think the forum can make us disproportionately noisy. I think this can also feed back amongst the readership (which is way bigger than the cohort that post on here), and in broader conversation amongst fans in the pub, in the workkplace etc. If we aren't careful that feedback loop between club and fans can go into freefall .... and if either party indulges themselves in a blame game, then it will only get worse, with resentment and recrimination on either side.

I wasn't able to be at the game yesterday for various reasons and it looks like I dodged a bullet. But I do know how it feels to invest time, money and travel to support the team, only to leave, gutted, for the long journey home. Sometimes that does make it quite difficult not to get involved in that negative spiral. But I do come from a generation that watched Boro in much worse circumstances and have always had that outlook as a fan that you support your club, your team, its owner, the staff etc through thick and thin .... through the times when it's hard as well as the times when the joys of success make it easy. Which is not that you have to throw away your critical faculties.... but maybe you keep your thoughts a little more to yourself...AND try to have a balanced view (it's not that long since Leicester away is it?).

Back in this old codger's day this was easier to manage, because there was not social media and forums like this, where upset and reactive fans can induldge in discussion almost immediately .... and, indeed, througout the game, as it happens. We just went home and watched the Generation Game, had a moan to our family and maybe went to the pub, where discussion of the match and the state of the club tended to be short lived ... because there was a pool match to win, or an attractive person to chat up, or whatever. Now, we can re-enforce and amplify negative thoughts and vibes for an entire evening/week.... raising blood pressure, levels of vitriol and all the negative garbage that comes with that.

It may seem an odd thing to say for a message board moderator (or maybe not) ... that perhaps we indulge ourselves too much by venting our spleens on here and that sometimes, if our personal vibe is bad/angry or whatever, just realising that we might be contributing to a negative feedback loop while we divest ourselves of splenetic rage. I know that I personally decided to try to stay clear of posting on here in the immediate post match aftermath ... in fact generally. Especially if I feel negative about the performance or the result. Far from leaving the ire pent up, it has actually resulted in much less stress of a matchday evening.

And it's not that different from lessons learned during ten years of coaching a junior football team ... a team that won a regional FA trophy but could also get tanked 10-0. We knew that the kids, as players, responded to the mood of the adults .... parents, coaches etc. We'd never dwell on the negatives, and we'd always try (not always successfully) to meet adversity with positive feedback. I don't think it's much different from a professional team like Boro. Of course there's the dynamic of "we work hard to pay your wages ... suck it up.... you are a professional". But actually, in reality, the players aren't necessarily going to see it like that. They may, for instance think ... "feck you, I've been training and making sacrifices for 17 years of my life, I try my hardest, but some days it isn't good enough... just get off my back will ya".

Anyway, I don't expect people to agree with me. Why would I. I, like most of us on this board, know pretty much **** all about how to run a Championship football club, or play at anything above bad Sunday League level.
 
Recent weeks have shown that the club needs to look at the way it operates. I also think that we, as fans, collectively, need to be very careful as well. We take the **** out of certain other neighbouring clubs for their fans' outrage and unrealistic expectation. I think we can be just as guilty of it.
It's clear that the club walks a tightrope financially and, personally, I think that we'd be in a lower division were it not for the benevolence of our owner/s. I also think that, as fans, we can create an atmosphere around the club .... when we're good, we're very very good and the team tries to respond accordingly. I think that negativity amongst the fans can also generate a feedback effect with and around the club and the team. We know for certain that people at the club, from the chairman to the players to staff read this board. The people who post on here are only a very small sample of the Boro fanbase, but I think the forum can make us disproportionately noisy. I think this can also feed back amongst the readership (which is way bigger than the cohort that post on here), and in broader conversation amongst fans in the pub, in the workkplace etc. If we aren't careful that feedback loop between club and fans can go into freefall .... and if either party indulges themselves in a blame game, then it will only get worse, with resentment and recrimination on either side.

I wasn't able to be at the game yesterday for various reasons and it looks like I dodged a bullet. But I do know how it feels to invest time, money and travel to support the team, only to leave, gutted, for the long journey home. Sometimes that does make it quite difficult not to get involved in that negative spiral. But I do come from a generation that watched Boro in much worse circumstances and have always had that outlook as a fan that you support your club, your team, its owner, the staff etc through thick and thin .... through the times when it's hard as well as the times when the joys of success make it easy. Which is not that you have to throw away your critical faculties.... but maybe you keep your thoughts a little more to yourself...AND try to have a balanced view (it's not that long since Leicester away is it?).

Back in this old codger's day this was easier to manage, because there was not social media and forums like this, where upset and reactive fans can induldge in discussion almost immediately .... and, indeed, througout the game, as it happens. We just went home and watched the Generation Game, had a moan to our family and maybe went to the pub, where discussion of the match and the state of the club tended to be short lived ... because there was a pool match to win, or an attractive person to chat up, or whatever. Now, we can re-enforce and amplify negative thoughts and vibes for an entire evening/week.... raising blood pressure, levels of vitriol and all the negative garbage that comes with that.

It may seem an odd thing to say for a message board moderator (or maybe not) ... that perhaps we indulge ourselves too much by venting our spleens on here and that sometimes, if our personal vibe is bad/angry or whatever, just realising that we might be contributing to a negative feedback loop while we divest ourselves of splenetic rage. I know that I personally decided to try to stay clear of posting on here in the immediate post match aftermath ... in fact generally. Especially if I feel negative about the performance or the result. Far from leaving the ire pent up, it has actually resulted in much less stress of a matchday evening.

And it's not that different from lessons learned during ten years of coaching a junior football team ... a team that won a regional FA trophy but could also get tanked 10-0. We knew that the kids, as players, responded to the mood of the adults .... parents, coaches etc. We'd never dwell on the negatives, and we'd always try (not always successfully) to meet adversity with positive feedback. I don't think it's much different from a professional team like Boro. Of course there's the dynamic of "we work hard to pay your wages ... suck it up.... you are a professional". But actually, in reality, the players aren't necessarily going to see it like that. They may, for instance think ... "feck you, I've been training and making sacrifices for 17 years of my life, I try my hardest, but some days it isn't good enough... just get off my back will ya".

Anyway, I don't expect people to agree with me. Why would I. I, like most of us on this board, know pretty much **** all about how to run a Championship football club, or play at anything above bad Sunday League level.
I think you are right.
 
Probably an age thing, not living in the area, but I can switch off after a defeat pretty quickly. Nowt I can do to affect it, it's gone.

Carrick tries his best to win. The players try their best. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Gibson has the best interests of the club at heart. I genuinely believe that he does. But, he's made a few big gaffes lately and this has just darkened the mood of the fans. What happend with the MSF Chair is just bang out of order.......but seeing first hand some of our amoeba brained fans part of me is not surprised.

I've written the season off, honestly since before Xmas I accepted that we weren't going up this season. So while these results are bloody frustrating, with the injuries and inexperience of a lot of the squad really not unexpected.

I'm looking long term, expecting a massive summer in the transfer market. So where we are now, although not good, is hopefully a blip and will move on to better things next season.

And Carrick will learn a lot more about himself his coaches and his squad during this period - do him good.

Oh, and everyone be nice. Lot of people going through a lot of non Boro related sh*t so just think before piling on👍
 
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Probably an age thing, not living in the area, but I can switch off after a defeat pretty quickly. Nowt I can do to affect it, it's gone.

Carrick tries his best to win. The players try their best. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Gibson has the best interests of the club at heart. I genuinely believe that he does. But, he's made a few big gaffes lately and this has just darkened the mood of the fans. What happend with the MSF Chair is just bang out of order.......but seeing first hand some of our amoeba brained fans part of me is not surprised.

I've written the season off, honestly since before Xmas I accepted that we weren't going up this season. So while these results are bloody frustrating, with the injuries and inexperience of a lot of the squad really not unexpected.

I'm looking long term, expecting a massive summer in the transfer market. So where we are now, although not good, is hopefully a blip and will move on to better things next season.

And Carrick will learn a lot more about himself his coaches and his squad during this period - do him good.

Oh, and everyone be nice. Lot of people going through a lot of non Boro related sh*t so just think before piling on👍

As you say. It may be generational.
And I think some realism, that we most definitely have had to face this week, might be what we need. It's going to be a long haul .... and it's going to get tougher when the likes of Hackney go.

And, as you say, Carrick will be learning some hard lessons too.
 
Great OP, but I do think that the club have made it impossible for many to continuing to attend for financial reasons. It’s a double edged sword, the club needs to generate money, but in doing so it’s now priced people out from putting money into the club.
 
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Great OP, but I do think that the club have made it impossible for many to continuing to attend for financial reasons. It’s a double edged sword, the club needs to generate money, but in doing so it’s now priced out people from putting money into the club.

I get that. But we, as fans, like good players, good managers and a half decent ground etc etc. I don't have to balance the books... but I can guess, for instance, that the cost of putting floodlights on, underground heating, other fuel costs associated with catering, travel etc have all gone up this last two years. I guess it's not easy.
But I also don't buy a season ticket .... so, I don't have that pain, financially ... but I obviously know a lot of people who do.

To put it into context, I'd have to think long and hard about taking my Grandkids to watch Halifax Town (it ain't cheap, and the football is terrible).
 
Recent weeks have shown that the club needs to look at the way it operates. I also think that we, as fans, collectively, need to be very careful as well. We take the **** out of certain other neighbouring clubs for their fans' outrage and unrealistic expectation. I think we can be just as guilty of it.
It's clear that the club walks a tightrope financially and, personally, I think that we'd be in a lower division were it not for the benevolence of our owner/s. I also think that, as fans, we can create an atmosphere around the club .... when we're good, we're very very good and the team tries to respond accordingly. I think that negativity amongst the fans can also generate a feedback effect with and around the club and the team. We know for certain that people at the club, from the chairman to the players to staff read this board. The people who post on here are only a very small sample of the Boro fanbase, but I think the forum can make us disproportionately noisy. I think this can also feed back amongst the readership (which is way bigger than the cohort that post on here), and in broader conversation amongst fans in the pub, in the workkplace etc. If we aren't careful that feedback loop between club and fans can go into freefall .... and if either party indulges themselves in a blame game, then it will only get worse, with resentment and recrimination on either side.

I wasn't able to be at the game yesterday for various reasons and it looks like I dodged a bullet. But I do know how it feels to invest time, money and travel to support the team, only to leave, gutted, for the long journey home. Sometimes that does make it quite difficult not to get involved in that negative spiral. But I do come from a generation that watched Boro in much worse circumstances and have always had that outlook as a fan that you support your club, your team, its owner, the staff etc through thick and thin .... through the times when it's hard as well as the times when the joys of success make it easy. Which is not that you have to throw away your critical faculties.... but maybe you keep your thoughts a little more to yourself...AND try to have a balanced view (it's not that long since Leicester away is it?).

Back in this old codger's day this was easier to manage, because there was not social media and forums like this, where upset and reactive fans can induldge in discussion almost immediately .... and, indeed, througout the game, as it happens. We just went home and watched the Generation Game, had a moan to our family and maybe went to the pub, where discussion of the match and the state of the club tended to be short lived ... because there was a pool match to win, or an attractive person to chat up, or whatever. Now, we can re-enforce and amplify negative thoughts and vibes for an entire evening/week.... raising blood pressure, levels of vitriol and all the negative garbage that comes with that.

It may seem an odd thing to say for a message board moderator (or maybe not) ... that perhaps we indulge ourselves too much by venting our spleens on here and that sometimes, if our personal vibe is bad/angry or whatever, just realising that we might be contributing to a negative feedback loop while we divest ourselves of splenetic rage. I know that I personally decided to try to stay clear of posting on here in the immediate post match aftermath ... in fact generally. Especially if I feel negative about the performance or the result. Far from leaving the ire pent up, it has actually resulted in much less stress of a matchday evening.

And it's not that different from lessons learned during ten years of coaching a junior football team ... a team that won a regional FA trophy but could also get tanked 10-0. We knew that the kids, as players, responded to the mood of the adults .... parents, coaches etc. We'd never dwell on the negatives, and we'd always try (not always successfully) to meet adversity with positive feedback. I don't think it's much different from a professional team like Boro. Of course there's the dynamic of "we work hard to pay your wages ... suck it up.... you are a professional". But actually, in reality, the players aren't necessarily going to see it like that. They may, for instance think ... "feck you, I've been training and making sacrifices for 17 years of my life, I try my hardest, but some days it isn't good enough... just get off my back will ya".

Anyway, I don't expect people to agree with me. Why would I. I, like most of us on this board, know pretty much **** all about how to run a Championship football club, or play at anything above bad Sunday League level.

Good post.

Sadly there are a few on here who genuinely think they simultaneously have a better understanding of business than Gibson, greater top level football knowledge than Carrick and Woodgate, and a better eye for a player* than our entire recruitment team.


*Nobby excluded
 
Good post.

Sadly there are a few on here who genuinely think they simultaneously have a better understanding of business than Gibson, greater top level football knowledge than Carrick and Woodgate, and a better eye for a player* than our entire recruitment team.


*Nobby excluded

Not entirely sure whether to laugh or cry at that post. But you're right .... apart from the Nobby bit. :)
 
Not entirely sure whether to laugh or cry at that post. But you're right .... apart from the Nobby bit. :)
He isn't though is he? I can see your post has attempted to calm the situation but his is just a dig at other supporters for expressing an opinion.

In the old days, pre Internet, I would write to the Gazette to express my opinion without the benefit of anonymity. These days FMTTM allows people to vent without exposing themselves personally which in some ways is a bad thing because it does bring out the wally from time to time.

However all opinions deserve to be heard but it looks to me like the club has 'had a word' which if true is absolutely scandalous.

This board may not be representative of the fanbase but are dissenting voices not allowed anymore?

The club is a joke at the minute but is trotting out the old 'nothing to see here' line.

We are under-performing and under-achieving despite having a fanbase most Championship clubs and some PL clubs would die for.

I hope Gibson and others at the club do read this board and come to the conclusion that they/it need to do much better.
 
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We have a far better chairman, and currently a far better manager, than most Championship sides. Far better.
Quite simply, horrific and unprecedented injuries and not getting a striker over the line in January have hamstrung our season.
A fit squad would have gotten us into the playoffs, I’m quite sure.
We go again.
 
"Howevet all opinions deserve to be heard but it looks to me like the club has 'had a word' which if true is absolutely scandalous."

Er, no. And the OP is/was entirely my opinion. Not an FMTTM opinion. And certainly not an MFC opinion.

As you raise this point though, I can say with absolute certainty, in all the years I've been involved with the Admin of this board, I have never been given a steer by the club, or Rob for that matter. Rob just lets me get on with it, using my own judgement. (I'm aware that this last bit might cause some of you to choke on their weetabix)
 
Recent weeks have shown that the club needs to look at the way it operates. I also think that we, as fans, collectively, need to be very careful as well. We take the **** out of certain other neighbouring clubs for their fans' outrage and unrealistic expectation. I think we can be just as guilty of it.
It's clear that the club walks a tightrope financially and, personally, I think that we'd be in a lower division were it not for the benevolence of our owner/s. I also think that, as fans, we can create an atmosphere around the club .... when we're good, we're very very good and the team tries to respond accordingly. I think that negativity amongst the fans can also generate a feedback effect with and around the club and the team. We know for certain that people at the club, from the chairman to the players to staff read this board. The people who post on here are only a very small sample of the Boro fanbase, but I think the forum can make us disproportionately noisy. I think this can also feed back amongst the readership (which is way bigger than the cohort that post on here), and in broader conversation amongst fans in the pub, in the workkplace etc. If we aren't careful that feedback loop between club and fans can go into freefall .... and if either party indulges themselves in a blame game, then it will only get worse, with resentment and recrimination on either side.

I wasn't able to be at the game yesterday for various reasons and it looks like I dodged a bullet. But I do know how it feels to invest time, money and travel to support the team, only to leave, gutted, for the long journey home. Sometimes that does make it quite difficult not to get involved in that negative spiral. But I do come from a generation that watched Boro in much worse circumstances and have always had that outlook as a fan that you support your club, your team, its owner, the staff etc through thick and thin .... through the times when it's hard as well as the times when the joys of success make it easy. Which is not that you have to throw away your critical faculties.... but maybe you keep your thoughts a little more to yourself...AND try to have a balanced view (it's not that long since Leicester away is it?).

Back in this old codger's day this was easier to manage, because there was not social media and forums like this, where upset and reactive fans can induldge in discussion almost immediately .... and, indeed, througout the game, as it happens. We just went home and watched the Generation Game, had a moan to our family and maybe went to the pub, where discussion of the match and the state of the club tended to be short lived ... because there was a pool match to win, or an attractive person to chat up, or whatever. Now, we can re-enforce and amplify negative thoughts and vibes for an entire evening/week.... raising blood pressure, levels of vitriol and all the negative garbage that comes with that.

It may seem an odd thing to say for a message board moderator (or maybe not) ... that perhaps we indulge ourselves too much by venting our spleens on here and that sometimes, if our personal vibe is bad/angry or whatever, just realising that we might be contributing to a negative feedback loop while we divest ourselves of splenetic rage. I know that I personally decided to try to stay clear of posting on here in the immediate post match aftermath ... in fact generally. Especially if I feel negative about the performance or the result. Far from leaving the ire pent up, it has actually resulted in much less stress of a matchday evening.

And it's not that different from lessons learned during ten years of coaching a junior football team ... a team that won a regional FA trophy but could also get tanked 10-0. We knew that the kids, as players, responded to the mood of the adults .... parents, coaches etc. We'd never dwell on the negatives, and we'd always try (not always successfully) to meet adversity with positive feedback. I don't think it's much different from a professional team like Boro. Of course there's the dynamic of "we work hard to pay your wages ... suck it up.... you are a professional". But actually, in reality, the players aren't necessarily going to see it like that. They may, for instance think ... "feck you, I've been training and making sacrifices for 17 years of my life, I try my hardest, but some days it isn't good enough... just get off my back will ya".

Anyway, I don't expect people to agree with me. Why would I. I, like most of us on this board, know pretty much **** all about how to run a Championship football club, or play at anything above bad Sunday League level.
Absolutely you dodged a bullet by not going on Saturday!
I also agree with everything else you say.
I've been a supporter for over 40 years and have learned to quickly get over a performance like that by keeping away from here after a defeat and applying some perspective.
 
I would quite honestly think MFC employees may take a glance at boards like these just to see what's going on. That's it. They won't care one jot about 99.999% of the irreverent shyte on here. And the other bit, if potentially libelous, will get taken down pretty quickly.

Imagine if Gibson did read this board, take it seriously......some of the players we would have signed over the years......dear god 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️
 
As an aside, there have been mountains of comments about the club’s finances in the past few months including the transfer window and ST prices etc. I wonder how much it has cost to incorporate the Ladies team this season?
Before I get beaten with the sexist stick, I’m all for the Ladies teams, and have followed them all season, as I am with the U21’s and U18’s.
However, that must have been some financial layout to bring all that on board, with addition of players and coaching staff’s wages. Granted, there will no doubt be a shed load of sponsorship money which helps out, but still, the initial outlay must have been quite considerable.
Again, I’m possibly talking out of my ass as usual, but it’s something that I have not seen mentioned a lot anywhere. Maybe, it was brought up in the forum meeting?
 
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