Red Faction - walking out on 30th minute

Redwurzel said:
HM Boro

In 1997/98 fans needed a season ticket to get into the Riverside - it was sold on it guaranteed you a seat.

Player wages were about £4k a week then (except Merson), now we pay £20k/week. (2023 player wage bill was £29m in total)
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I've mentioned earlier that the big, huge, f*ck off elephant in the room re football finances is players and agents wages/fees.

My point being, what are Boro doing to get extra punters in bar hiking the prices 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
h_m_boro said:
I've mentioned earlier that the big, huge, f*ck off elephant in the room re football finances is players and agents wages/fees.

My point being, what are Boro doing to get extra punters in bar hiking the prices 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
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Well every championship side is running at a loss and a significant one and biggest costs are player wages.

That’s the issue, but what’s the underlying cause?

The desire for premier league status and income I suspect.

Why? Because the revenue in the prem is so much higher. That’s the underlying issue to all of this
 
BoroMart said:
Well every championship side is running at a loss and a significant one and biggest costs are player wages.

That’s the issue, but what’s the underlying cause?

The desire for premier league status and income I suspect.

Why? Because the revenue in the prem is so much higher. That’s the underlying issue to all of this
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It’s a false economy though. Almost all premier league teams loose money each year too - most way in excess of our losses
 
You know if Gibbo said, 'if we go up I'll half the price of tickets' I could take this b***ks about us not getting premier league money. He won't though as last time we went up, he put the prices up.
 
BoroMart said:
someone has to be a bit more balance than this pitchfork mentality that is happening, I've never been one to run with the baying crowds to appease the hive mindset, that acheives nothing. I've never been one to simplify complex issues into black and white thinking like this. Yes the prices are high, but as long as there is a strategy to this, such as a big spending summer then so be it. We have finally shorn ourselves of teh Garry Monk financial failure, this is a huge summer for us, a huge opportunity. If the club fail to take it we will probably lose the best manager we've had in years, and a massive growth opportunity. The alternative is scrapping around at this level in a death spiral of financial failure. The club appear to have a strategy, personally I think snapping the relationship like this from a fan perspective is mackem levels of self-harm. I don't wat to see this fracture occur, and the club isn't going to set the precedent of bowing down to the demands of red faction or any other supporters group. There needs to be a realistic objective from the fans if they want gibson to show some concession in future.

Does that make someone a bellend, simply by foreseeing the disharmony this action is going to cause for no gain, no, to see the fans fail to get on board with a great promotion opportunity. There is always a price point above zero, where football is unaffordable to some people, the reality is this price rise is on the back of inflation and government economic failure, so the timing smarts more people, I get that. But those same factors that hurt the man in the street, hurt the club too and they have to maximise revenue to get the players in they need. The reality with a kids ticket is that actually every adult in the stadium is subsidising them, every adult without a kid is paying a bit towards them. People argue about the fans of tomorrow, but actually the best way to ensure the fans of tomorrow is by getting a premier league club again. If we do, the kids will come regardless. If we don't they'll follow liverpool or man city. That has always been the case and moreso in the digital age.
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I wasn't expecting an essay in response to my one line post. I've read the entire thread and I understand where you're coming from but I just can't agree with you and that's fine. It's your dismissive and condescending tone that I have a problem with. I don't want to fall out with you mate so I'll just shut the f*ck up now.
 
fmttmadmin said:
But are there are thousands of empty seats? Maybe there will be next season - I don't know but the South and North Stand are pretty full. The GRFZ is full. We average 27k crowds and that includes a fluctuating away end and the segregation. Most of the empty seats are West Stand Upper - won't they always be at the upper pricing?
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I'm not sure why you've ignored the vast majority of H M's post ?

The GRFZ is full, great.. but that's of no relevance for anyone with teenagers, or more importantly MFC charging over £100 for a family of 4 in the cheapest seats available as a walk up.

Do you agree with

Not offering DD for season tickets?
Adding a levy surcharge to new SC customers?
Having the early bird cut off so early ?
MFC charging 19 quid for a six year old ?
MFC offering no family oriented pricing for walk ups?

All of which are huge barriers that could see another couple of thousand new ST / walk ups every game.
 
outoftown said:
I'm not sure why you've ignored the vast majority of H M's post ?

The GRFZ is full, great.. but that's of no relevance for anyone with teenagers, or more importantly MFC charging over £100 for a family of 4 in the cheapest seats available as a walk up.

Do you agree with

Not offering DD for season tickets?
Adding a levy surcharge to new SC customers?
Having the early bird cut off so early ?
MFC charging 19 quid for a six year old ?
MFC offering no family oriented pricing for walk ups?

All of which are huge barriers that could see another couple of thousand new ST / walk ups every game.
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He'll be quite a while, he needs to find out from Gibbo how to reply.
 
free_pint said:
You've literally just blamed the fans for 'mackem-esque' self-harm.

If you're just genuinely on this thread as a wind up, please just stop.

This football club genuinely means so much to all of us and all fans. Some can afford the price increase, some can't. Elements of both are involved in protesting against this decision.

If you disagree with the decision to protest, thats fine, but I've seen nothing from yourself in terms of a valid way to show discontent.

If you're just trying to give a different view, please stop. Nobody is interested in it, you're just winding people up now, because you've just randomly thrown bits about that ultimately contradict yourself over and over.

I'm done replying to you.
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I asked Boromart if he actually has a season ticket as he has plenty to say. Hes declined to answer so far.
 
outoftown said:
I'm not sure why you've ignored the vast majority of H M's post ?

The GRFZ is full, great.. but that's of no relevance for anyone with teenagers, or more importantly MFC charging over £100 for a family of 4 in the cheapest seats available as a walk up.

Do you agree with

Not offering DD for season tickets?
Adding a levy surcharge to new SC customers?
Having the early bird cut off so early ?
MFC charging 19 quid for a six year old ?
MFC offering no family oriented pricing for walk ups?

All of which are huge barriers that could see another couple of thousand new ST / walk ups every game.
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There are family walk ups in what is effectively a GRFZ off shoot in the North Stand - this needs to be spelled out on the website doesn't it.
 
fmttmadmin said:
There are family walk ups in what is effectively a GRFZ off shoot in the North Stand - this needs to be spelled out on the website doesn't it.
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The north stands " pretty full " by your words.. and yes website is sub standard...

You keep answering questions, with another deflection... Involving the GRFZ ..

It a response I'd expect on question time from a failing government...

Just in case I wasn't clear

Do you agree MFC is wrong in

Not offering DD for season tickets?
Adding a levy surcharge to new SC customers?
Having the early bird cut off so early ?
MFC charging 19 quid for a six year old ?
MFC offering no family oriented pricing for walk ups?

All of which are huge barriers that could see another couple of thousand new ST / walk ups every game.
 
Having read private eye’s description of Gibson’s behaviour in the Freeport’s meeting I hope no RF fans own race horses or you may find their heads in your bed tonight! ‘
 
outoftown said:
The north stands " pretty full " by your words.. and yes website is sub standard...

You keep answering questions, with another deflection... Involving the GRFZ ..

It a response I'd expect on question time from a failing government...

Just in case I wasn't clear

Do you agree MFC is wrong in

Not offering DD for season tickets?
Adding a levy surcharge to new SC customers?
Having the early bird cut off so early ?
MFC charging 19 quid for a six year old ?
MFC offering no family oriented pricing for walk ups?

All of which are huge barriers that could see another couple of thousand new ST / walk ups every game.
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Sorry, are you questioning me or the club? I was just offering an answer to a couple of the points I knew an answer to..
 
I'm usually all for industrial action to preserve rights, standards and fairness.

The question will always be, when is enough enough? If we never make a stand then nothing will change and we will continue to be charged well above average despite being a below average football club. That circle can't be squared when we compare our club to others.

This IS a season of transition and we are unlikely to be promoted to maybe now is a good time to cause a little fuss and try to get a change made.

However, last season and generally at the moment there seems to be a good feeling at the club in terms of the style of football, the stadium being relatively full or at least higher attendances than usual in the Championship and a sense of an upward trajectory.

Is this the worst it has ever gotten between the fans and Gibson? Have we ever got to the point where an 'ultras' fan group has tried to organise a walk-out or action against the club?

Will they get a grudge? How destabalising is this going to be to club-fan relations and will that filter through to performances? Will we end up with a toxic atmosphere because of it which bubbles under the surface and disgruntles the likes of Carrick and players?

Will Gibson say Eff off, I throw a fortune at this you bunch of ungrateful muppets?

I don't like the idea of a walk-out, I think it sets a bad precedent, but I also understand that enough is enough for some people.

Tricky.
 
Plymouth fans views on our pricing and the proposed walk-out.

Boro Fan Protest vs. Argyle on Saturday

Rumour has it that Boro fans are planning a walkout on 30mins this Saturday. Protest about season ticket pricing. Not sure how reliable this is but a few people have mentioned this to me in work. Any little advantage so I can walk in to work on Monday and not face too much (friendly) abuse 😀...
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