Almeria2005
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Both wanted to leave one for the chance to pay in the premier League and Crooks for a better lifestyle for his family
Steve Gibson your time is up!!
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Norman_Conquest
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How could we turn the Rogers money down or stand in the way of what is a great opportunity for him.
Crooks' involvement in the team was going to be limited and also a great move for him and his family.
Scrug
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Sorry Scrug, can you please give me a list of words I can say?
Is divvy ok to say?
Just stick with doyle. UTB.
Ayresome_park
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Listen I get what your saying and yes part of me agrees with that but which team sells both attacking threats when apparently pushing for a play off spot. Where you at the game on Saturday because by the looks of it half the first team look deflated and have given up any hope of reaching the play offs. When we are selling our main threats and replacing them with average players what's the message getting sent to the rest of the squad. Then a couple of days later we get the hike in ticket prices again and when you compare to the rest of the division its an absolute disgrace!! Use carry on defending Gibson and Co but while he is here this club is stuck in limbo!!
Cardiffdaffs
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Stuck in limbo. Play offs last season. Semi final of League Cup this. If you want to see a team stuck in limbo look at Birmingham and they have changed owners three times in the last 15 years.
Hammies_Tash
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Personally i don't see how 'extra investment' would help us? Under FFP we are allowed to lose £35m over a rolling 3 season period, this shortfall is picked up by the owners of the club, largely aside from the odd season here and there SG has put this in. If new 'investment' came in, we still can't loose anymore then £35m over 3 seasons. If SG wasn't prepared to pick up the shortfall anymore then we have to cut our cloth to suit or find someone else to put it in.
My feelings are the club are trying to get themselves in line with new FFP rules which will come in when the EFL & PL finally agree a deal over the parachute payments. Parachuite payments are going to go with them being replaced with meritocricy payments based on league positions. The PL want a wage cap in place to stop clubs spunking the money on inflated wages, it's rumoured they want 70% of turnover, I think it will settle at 80%. Boro were 105% at last accounts and this had gone up slightly, possibly skewed a bit by Wilder's pay off. Boro have to reduce the wage bill to turnover ratio likely by the 25/26 season, players salaries will take time as contracts end and new ones are agreed, so they really need to concentrate on increasing income, guess the ST rise is part of this, as well as trying to increase transfer revenue.
There's not much else they can do, advertising/sponsor revenue will fall off a cliff when the ban on Gambling companies comes in, can't see any other industry paying the numbers they have paid, which will make things even tougher. Given Boro have traditionally been one of the biggest wage payers in the league, they are starting from a difficult position, but this has been ooing over the last two seasons, with big wage earners coming off the books, replaced by younger 'talent' on much lower wages.
My feelings are the club are trying to get themselves in line with new FFP rules which will come in when the EFL & PL finally agree a deal over the parachute payments. Parachuite payments are going to go with them being replaced with meritocricy payments based on league positions. The PL want a wage cap in place to stop clubs spunking the money on inflated wages, it's rumoured they want 70% of turnover, I think it will settle at 80%. Boro were 105% at last accounts and this had gone up slightly, possibly skewed a bit by Wilder's pay off. Boro have to reduce the wage bill to turnover ratio likely by the 25/26 season, players salaries will take time as contracts end and new ones are agreed, so they really need to concentrate on increasing income, guess the ST rise is part of this, as well as trying to increase transfer revenue.
There's not much else they can do, advertising/sponsor revenue will fall off a cliff when the ban on Gambling companies comes in, can't see any other industry paying the numbers they have paid, which will make things even tougher. Given Boro have traditionally been one of the biggest wage payers in the league, they are starting from a difficult position, but this has been ooing over the last two seasons, with big wage earners coming off the books, replaced by younger 'talent' on much lower wages.
r00fie1
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Steve Gibson, Kieran Scott, Michael Carrick, Hayden Hackney, and Tommy Smith were among the faces taking part in Q&As with Boro fans this week.
The chairman and senior members of staff met representatives of Middlesbrough Supporters Forum on Monday, while Kieran took part in the Twe12th Man podcast to reflect on the transfer window and provide an update from Rockliffe.
The Riverside was the venue for Boro Supporters Club 2020s monthly meeting when Tommy made an appearance to discuss his injury, his playing career, and his time so far at the Boro.
For Hayden, it was a return to his roots when he visited Sacred Heart School in Redcar - a visit organized by club partner Host & Stay - where he took questions from some of his former teachers and current pupils.
And Wednesday evening saw the biggest event of the week when around 130 members and friends of Red Faction packed into the Legends Lounge to hear from the chairman, head coach, and head of football.
The trio took part in a Q&A and Michael was also the surprise recipient of a cheque presentation for the Michael Carrick Foundation. A further cheque is also winging its way to Matt Crooks for the Jordan Sinnott Foundation.
Boro Head Coach Michael Carrick said: "There were some great questions, it was an enjoyable night, and it was good to be able to thank a lot of people personally for the support you continually give us.
"I'd also like to say a big thank-you on behalf of the Foundation for such a kind gesture.
"There were other events through the week where players and staff met different groups of supporters, and all the feedback has been so positive.
"It’s such an important part of the fabric of this club is the connection between us all."
The Riverside was the venue for Boro Supporters Club 2020s monthly meeting when Tommy made an appearance to discuss his injury, his playing career, and his time so far at the Boro.
For Hayden, it was a return to his roots when he visited Sacred Heart School in Redcar - a visit organized by club partner Host & Stay - where he took questions from some of his former teachers and current pupils.
And Wednesday evening saw the biggest event of the week when around 130 members and friends of Red Faction packed into the Legends Lounge to hear from the chairman, head coach, and head of football.
The trio took part in a Q&A and Michael was also the surprise recipient of a cheque presentation for the Michael Carrick Foundation. A further cheque is also winging its way to Matt Crooks for the Jordan Sinnott Foundation.
Boro Head Coach Michael Carrick said: "There were some great questions, it was an enjoyable night, and it was good to be able to thank a lot of people personally for the support you continually give us.
"I'd also like to say a big thank-you on behalf of the Foundation for such a kind gesture.
"There were other events through the week where players and staff met different groups of supporters, and all the feedback has been so positive.
"It’s such an important part of the fabric of this club is the connection between us all."
Owners are allowed to inject equity. I'm not sure what the value is or whether Gibson has been doing that. I do know that loans don't count and it has to be secured funding (i.e. a payment to the club) and until recently when Gibson converted debt to equity it has been secured by a loan. Someone else @indeedido will be able to clear it up no doubt.
It's nonsense though to think Gibson is running the club perfectly. I've said many times but the only reason we have any fans outside of Teesside is because everyone leaves Teesside. We haven't gained fans from anywhere in his time at the helm. We were a big part of the PL booming globally and had a team full of superstars and we did nothing to expand our fanbase. We make it really difficult to support the club if you live outside of Teesside never mind the UK. I would expect literally anyone to be able to come in and improve the way we operate commercially. On to the football side of things and employing old school managers and then letting them be in control of transfers to people with reputations for lining their own pockets like Pulis and believing a word of whatever Monk must have said is mental. I agree with the model of developing players and selling them on to improve the squad and increase revenue but we are so late to the party with that that there is no edge. We're doing the same as everyone else again trying to identify players that better scouting setups have decided aren't worth their time. We're not doing anything innovative and by the time we've got this new system working properly so will everyone else. We had a chance to do things differently when Kenyon was helping out and we saw some success but we could have been where Wolves are now instead of back to where we were pre-Kenyon.
You are right in a way that we are limited by the amount of money we have to spend just like everyone else but we are not limited to only making bad decisions and with Gibson we seem to make more and more bad decisions as time goes on.
BoroMart
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I suspect our wages will be lower than 100% this season, its calculated on a three year window and the last window included the last year of Britt, Fletcher, Howson (original deal), McNair (original deal)
The Ruthsayer
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Old enough not to understand NC’s comment.Owned?
Jesus how old are we?
If we had an overseas owner am not sure I would have been able to send him a message and within 5 minutes receive a reply and within an hour see a positive reaction and change to the announcement. Steve Gibson listened to what many people said on this forum - I voiced that to him and that 2 weeks could make such a difference for so many people to be able to afford to pay. The club discussed it and made a change - all within a morning. Or within an hour to be honest.
Am glad that we have been able to communicate this and more than anything else am glad that many people might now be able to afford something that could possibly have been out of reach.
Am glad that we have been able to communicate this and more than anything else am glad that many people might now be able to afford something that could possibly have been out of reach.
Actually I should say Steve Gibson was overseas today. Ironically.
indeedido
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How about the Club communicate intelligently and respectfully to start with?
Not having to correct a huge own goal in their minimalist first effort.
No effort to address the other concerns expressed by so many.
Like thanks for fans’ support, appreciation of financial pressures fans face, explanation why there is need for an increase, articulation of future intent/vision, explanation why the EB needs paying by even the end of March and why there is no interest free way of spreading payments.
Still nice to know your special hotline works.
Pity you didn’t use it more challengingly more often.
Loop
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Any reason given for original deadline?
Sounds like it needed sorting before he went on holiday.
Alan_Breck
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Rob,
It's fortuitous that you have the skin if a rhino when dealing with some of the issues posted on this message board. Many, including me, would have walked long ago. Keep doing what you're doing knowing that you have the support of the vast majority here.
#UTB
I haven't got a hotline. I just thought I needed to try and convince the club on this matter.
I don't think he is on holiday.
Thank you. Appreciate this.