England footballer Danny Rose 'regularly stopped by police and asked if his car is stolen'

Alzi said:
“I am sure most people would like Danny Roses 'problems'.”

Why would “most people” want to be the victim of racism ? Is he fair game because he has a few quid?
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I think the pretty mind boggling implication is he shouldn't complain about a bit of the old racism because he's lucky enough to be a multi millionaire professional footballer!
 
festa5 said:
I think the pretty mind boggling implication is he shouldn't complain about a bit of the old racism because he's lucky enough to be a multi millionaire professional footballer!
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That is 100% correct.

But do we know if he did complain?
 
HolgateCorner said:
I’ve been stopped a few times by the police in my younger days, once for speeding but he let me off with a rollicking, once because I was on the A19 early hours and he was ‘checking’, let off again, and once got breathalysed for being parked on the side of a road talking to a girlfriend but I hadn’t been drinking so got let off again.
Now I’m not saying there isn’t racism around but I am ‘white British‘ and still got harassed for no reason by the police. It is the world they are in and in fairness they have a lot to put up with at times.
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You were stopped once cos you were breaking the law, not a random one for the first time

2nd one seems plausible given the time

The 3rd one because you were parked of the side of the road. What road?

Well done for watering it down though
 
GazC_MFC said:
1 naive
2 ignorant
Or
3 racist
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A combination of all of the above. Just because someone doesn’t understand they are being racist or inadvertently condoning racism doesn’t reduce the impact.

People can be educated but some of the comments on here indicating he should
shut up and get on with it because he’s got a good job are appalling though.
 
GazC_MFC said:
You were stopped once cos you were breaking the law, not a random one for the first time

2nd one seems plausible given the time

The 3rd one because you were parked of the side of the road. What road?

Well done for watering it down though
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Fair enough, the third one I was parked on the side of the A65 near to Kirkstall Abbey in Leeds, it was about midnight, the policeman said a car had been ‘reported’. He was abusive, was convinced I was drunk and was making arrangements to have my car collected and girlfriend dropped to her home...until I passed the breath test, then I was quickly told to get out of his car, told to go home straight away, no apology, nothing.
Look these incidents were over 30 years ago, my point is that from time to we can all cross the path of the police, it is not necessarily a race thing.
Hopefully we are not at the stage where we can’t debate this without being automatically branded a racist, naive, white, middle aged etc etc?
 
HolgateCorner said:
Fair enough, the third one I was parked on the side of the A65 near to Kirkstall Abbey in Leeds, it was about midnight, the policeman said a car had been ‘reported’. He was abusive, was convinced I was drunk and was making arrangements to have my car collected and girlfriend dropped to her home...until I passed the breath test, then I was quickly told to get out of his car, told to go home straight away, no apology, nothing.
Look these incidents were over 30 years ago, my point is that from time to we can all cross the path of the police, it is not necessarily a race thing.
Hopefully we are not at the stage where we can’t debate this without being automatically branded a racist, naive, white, middle aged etc etc?
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Agree that people can be stopped from over zealous police officers. That will happen.

This thread is about systematic racism, to talk about you own run in with the police seems like an attempt to water down, or just make it seem the norm, could have happened to anyone.

I wonder how many times Luke Shaw has been pulled over.

You’ve attempted to water down the message twice in this thread. One as cos he’s famous in Doncaster and two comparing it to your own experience
 
Great to see so many people challenge/question racism, whether it be through

1 naivety
2 ignorance
Or
3 racism

There is hope for a better world for all. 👍
 
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Is there any statistical evidence whatsoever that black people in this country are treat differently to anybody else of other colour apart from anecdotes?

Danny Rose may well have been pulled over more times statistically than people who just happen to have been born with white skin, that in itself doesn't imply racism, as has been alluded to, no, lets go along with the current narrative, it simply has to be racism, and it's ingrained and systematic, and if you think otherwise your racist yourself etc etc, blah blah, cancel culture nonsense
 
Becksy said:
Is there any statistical evidence whatsoever that black people in this country are treat differently to anybody else of other colour apart from anecdotes?

Danny Rose may well have been pulled over more times statistically than people who just happen to have been born with white skin, that in itself doesn't imply racism, as has been alluded to, no, lets go along with the current narrative, it simply has to be racism, and it's ingrained and systematic, and if you think otherwise your racist yourself etc etc, blah blah, cancel culture nonsense
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Yes there’s quite a bit of evidence that black people are massively misrepresented when compared to their percentage of the population

In London, you are 40 times more likely to be stopped and searched if you are black, if it’s a random search with no suspicion
 
Becksy said:
Is there any statistical evidence whatsoever that black people in this country are treat differently to anybody else of other colour apart from anecdotes?

Danny Rose may well have been pulled over more times statistically than people who just happen to have been born with white skin, that in itself doesn't imply racism, as has been alluded to, no, lets go along with the current narrative, it simply has to be racism, and it's ingrained and systematic, and if you think otherwise your racist yourself etc etc, blah blah, cancel culture nonsense
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Yes plenty. Easy enough to find.

Maybe do the research first before suggesting the problem doesn't exist?

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures...e-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest
 
Yes, statistical evidence does exist. I'm sure if you wanted to you'd be able to find it with a simple search, otherwise statistics would be used to disprove the argument.

Accepting we live in a racist society is tough for some, it's also difficult when the subject is highlighted for racists themselves.
 
Becksy said:
Is there any statistical evidence whatsoever that black people in this country are treat differently to anybody else of other colour apart from anecdotes?

Danny Rose may well have been pulled over more times statistically than people who just happen to have been born with white skin, that in itself doesn't imply racism, as has been alluded to, no, lets go along with the current narrative, it simply has to be racism, and it's ingrained and systematic, and if you think otherwise your racist yourself etc etc, blah blah, cancel culture nonsense
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Systemic racism has existed long before BLM.
You only have to go back to the 70`s when signs such as "No Blacks, No Irish, No Dogs" was common in pubs and bed and breakfasts. It was accepted, not challenged.

This rubbish of "cancel culture" is the racists answer to us recognising our imperial racist past.
Its recognising our part in colonising hugh parts of the world and oppressing other peoples for our own benefit.
Its about understanding how the historical white supremacist world view permeates "our" culture today - through language, in written texts and the icons we are told are symbolic of victory and "heroes" of the "civilised" world.

Humility and understanding is acceptance of our historical past, not denying it.
Those who deny the lessions of history are destined to repeat it.
 
The whataboutery from the boomers never ceases to amaze me. Equating age to skin colour on this thread haha. Trump, brexit, BLM, racism - the same old posters with the same old backward insular views. Depressing.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Agree that people can be stopped from over zealous police officers. That will happen.

This thread is about systematic racism, to talk about you own run in with the police seems like an attempt to water down, or just make it seem the norm, could have happened to anyone.

I wonder how many times Luke Shaw has been pulled over.

You’ve attempted to water down the message twice in this thread. One as cos he’s famous in Doncaster and two comparing it to your own experience
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Ok apologies if it comes across like that, I think it’s unacceptable for the police to harass anybody but particularly if there is a race motivation. I wasn’t trying to water anything down, why would I want to do that?
 
When I was at uni in the 80's I got a holiday job driving posh cars around the country for a large leasing company. I was frequently asked by police for proof of what I was doing in such a vehicle.
I was about 19 or 20 driving Jags and top end Beemers etc. (great job btw, pay was crap though).
All that said, I did look like a young scrote in a posh car, Danny Rose doesn't look like a young kid.
 
Becksy said:
Is there any statistical evidence whatsoever that black people in this country are treat differently to anybody else of other colour apart from anecdotes?

Danny Rose may well have been pulled over more times statistically than people who just happen to have been born with white skin, that in itself doesn't imply racism, as has been alluded to, no, lets go along with the current narrative, it simply has to be racism, and it's ingrained and systematic, and if you think otherwise your racist yourself etc etc, blah blah, cancel culture nonsense
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You're really not getting this.
 
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