Neil Warnock on Brexit: I cannot wait to get out of the EU!

It really is not a rant Festa, it is a response to your post and it most certainly covers that. Yours is a post full of hot air.
Keep on sticking your fingers in your ears and covering your eyes though.

It's a response. I'll give you that. If you think it's a certainty that the majority of the country still want to leave that's fair enough but you've provided no evidence to support that view other than the GE result which, as I've already pointed out, actually shows the majority voted for parties not hell bent on a brexit at any cost so doesn't support your stance at all.

And you accuse me of sticking ears in my fingers? Christ.

I'm not even saying there's a majority for remain. I'm saying it's a question mark and have outlined the evidence why I think so. Feel free to say why that evidence is flawed.
 
We are no longer a member of the EU, it's done, so there's no benefit to abusing people who voted a different way from you.

Best we can hope for is that the clown in charge is able to secure and acceptable deal before the transition period ends.

In a way, the pandemic will probably make the fallout easier as the whole world will be in the **** regardless of what happens with negotiations.
hope. The brexiteers cry!
 
While this is admirable for a private citizen, it doesn't really apply in this case. I) it wouldn't make any change to your life as we'd be continuing the status quo. ii) I find it v hard to believe that the advocates of Brexit would have let it lie - look at the Scottish Nationalists. Especially if the vote was as close.
You don't think it applies, because you don't want it to.
 
It's a response. I'll give you that. If you think it's a certainty that the majority of the country still want to leave that's fair enough but you've provided no evidence to support that view other than the GE result which, as I've already pointed out, actually shows the majority voted for parties not hell bent on a brexit at any cost so doesn't support your stance at all.

And you accuse me of sticking ears in my fingers? Christ.

I'm not even saying there's a majority for remain. I'm saying it's a question mark and have outlined the evidence why I think so. Feel free to say why that evidence is flawed.

There either is, or isn't a majority, when a vote is carried out. Nobody has a vote every other week about things as serious as this.
You haven't outlined any evidence other than waving at an opinion poll. We do not live by opinion polls.
Where did I ever say a Brexit at any cost? Typical extrapolation. Very few who voted for Brexit would want it at "any cost".
But they did vote for Brexit and most people would acknowledge that this was reinforced at the last election.
Just let it go, but I know you will just crack on.
 
You don't think it applies, because you don't want it to.

I've given two reasons why it doesn't apply.

Anyway - you won, got everything you wanted, so it'd follow you'd not care what a bunch of sore losers think on the internet.

Unless, of course, it wasn't about the EU, but was instead about something else. And taking away freedoms from your fellow citizens hasn't actually filled that big, empty hole.
 
Festa you are simply living in denial.
Even the Labour party acknowledged their dismal showing was in the main due to their bizarre stance on Brexit.
The Greens, LibDems and the Separatist Nationalists were the only parties who stood for Remain and overturn. They were trounced.
Labour vote was massively split and a long way from all Remain. Those who voted Conservative knew what that primarily meant in that election.

You might not like it - you clearly don't - but it was a massive endorsement of a Brexit.
If Labour had got its **** in gear earlier, there might have been a "softer" Brexit.
But too many Remainers arrogantly assumed they would obviously prevail.
Personified by Gina Miller and Tony Blair.
It wasn't as simple as that, your saying everyone who voted tory supported brexit, some put their political beliefs above their feelings on brexit. Some put brexit above all else, which I find hard to understand.
 
Blimey there is a rather large leap LPB?

I am happy there was the Brexit result, frustrated it was blocked as it was, pleased there was a clarifying election result and will be happy to see us leave.
I haven't got everything I wanted, I don't know what the final deal will be. As ever there will rightly be compromise.
I want Trade Agreements without Political Union. That shouldn't be unreasonable or unachievable.
Unless of course this about something else for you?
 
There either is, or isn't a majority, when a vote is carried out. Nobody has a vote every other week about things as serious as this.
You haven't outlined any evidence other than waving at an opinion poll. We do not live by opinion polls.
Where did I ever say a Brexit at any cost? Typical extrapolation. Very few who voted for Brexit would want it at "any cost".
But they did vote for Brexit and most people would acknowledge that this was reinforced at the last election.
Just let it go, but I know you will just crack on.

So you admit that we don't know if the majority of the country still wants to leave then? That's all I'm debating because you implied the election result proved they did.

But you have at least finally addressed some of the points raised at the third time of asking. Thank you.

I'll admit I have a chip on my shoulder about this, but don't try and take the high ground. You clearly feel just as strongly given your posts. Nothing wrong with that but a bit hypocritical to ask remainers to "let it go" when you can't seem to do so yourself. You won, get over it etc. You've got what you wanted, enjoy it. I hope for all our sakes it's everything you were told it would be.

Agreed though let's leave it there, otherwise it's going round in circles.
 
It wasn't as simple as that, your saying everyone who voted tory supported brexit, some put their political beliefs above their feelings on brexit. Some put brexit above all else, which I find hard to understand.
I'm really not saying that and I agree that people voted with mixed priorities/weighting.
Everyone who voted Conservative was left in no doubt where the party stood at the last election on Brexit. Lots of traditional Tories were Remainers, may not have preferred it, but voted for it.
Labour was ambiguous.
The election was not just about Brexit, but the country's feedback was very clear on Brexit.
Politicians on all sides seem to be able to agree on that.
 
I'm really not saying that and I agree that people voted with mixed priorities/weighting.
Everyone who voted Conservative was left in no doubt where the party stood at the last election on Brexit. Lots of traditional Tories were Remainers, may not have preferred it, but voted for it.
Labour was ambiguous.
The election was not just about Brexit, but the country's feedback was very clear on Brexit.
Politicians on all sides seem to be able to agree on that.
The country's oponion on brexit was crystal clear at the last election. Swathes of traditional Labour seats turned blue on that single issue. Labour's ridiculous policies on brexit have us sadddled with coco the clown in charge of the country with the biggest majority in generations. If the Labour party had listened to it's heartlands on brexit instead of the liberal elite in hampstead and Islington it would still have the majority of those seats and the most incompetent rabble that I can remember wouldn't be free to wreak havoc for the four years.
 
Blimey there is a rather large leap LPB?

I am happy there was the Brexit result, frustrated it was blocked as it was, pleased there was a clarifying election result and will be happy to see us leave.
I haven't got everything I wanted, I don't know what the final deal will be. As ever there will rightly be compromise.
I want Trade Agreements without Political Union. That shouldn't be unreasonable or unachievable.
Unless of course this about something else for you?


So a leap for me isn't one for you?

I wanted the right to live and work across Europe without impediment, for prosperity for my country and for closer European ties. The political union had no bearing on my decision as it had little bearing on how the UK governed itself. Brussels didn't force deindustrialization, or financial deregulation. Look at Germany.

Brexit takes away rights, has made us all poorer and builds barrier between the UK and all its closest neighbours.

I get that for many the Brexit vote was a means to have their voice heard for seemingly the first time. But this dogs breakfast can't be what anyone wanted? All its done is take away things certain people held dear and for what? For Boris Johnson to be PM.
 
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It's only human nature that you might think less of someone who doesn't share your views, though, no matter how hard you fight against it.
 
So a leap for me isn't one for you?

I wanted the right to live and work across Europe without impediment, for prosperity for my country and for closer European ties. The political union had no bearing on my decision as it had little bearing on how the UK governed itself. Brussels didn't make force deinstitutionalization, or financial deregulation. Look at Germany.

Brexit takes away rights, has made us all poorer and builds barrier between the UK and all its closest neighbours.

I get that for many the Brexit vote was a means to have their voice heard for seemingly the first time. But this dogs breakfast can't be what anyone wanted? All its done is take away things certain people held dear and for what? For Boris Johnson to be PM.

As I mentioned in a previous post I dont think most brexit voters will understand the implications of that. Many peoples research into this will have been a headline from The Sun or a Farage quote which you wouldn't have realised it was completely ***** unless you looked into it. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the leave campaign knew this and they played an absolute blinder with how they pushed their message. Easy to share a post on facebook thousands of times that has no factual content when your target audience doesn't have the intelligence to question it.
 
So a leap for me isn't one for you?

I wanted the right to live and work across Europe without impediment, for prosperity for my country and for closer European ties. The political union had no bearing on my decision as it had little bearing on how the UK governed itself. Brussels didn't force deindustrialization, or financial deregulation. Look at Germany.

Brexit takes away rights, has made us all poorer and builds barrier between the UK and all its closest neighbours.

I get that for many the Brexit vote was a means to have their voice heard for seemingly the first time. But this dogs breakfast can't be what anyone wanted? All its done is take away things certain people held dear and for what? For Boris Johnson to be PM.

It may take away the right to live and work anywhere in Europe, but it also provides opportunities and in my case prevents our inclusion in a Federalised Europe. These are things that certain other people hold dear; just as dear as you about being a European.

You seem to imply that I must be delighted with Boris Johnson. I am anything but.
Again another massive leap.
 
Why do you (writers of a championship football team forum )think your so clever? why are you not running for parliment instead of wasting your time insulting people who voted differently to you?
 
As I mentioned in a previous post I dont think most brexit voters will understand the implications of that. Many peoples research into this will have been a headline from The Sun or a Farage quote which you wouldn't have realised it was completely ***** unless you looked into it. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the leave campaign knew this and they played an absolute blinder with how they pushed their message. Easy to share a post on facebook thousands of times that has no factual content when your target audience doesn't have the intelligence to question it.
Wow, what a very very very clever person you seem.
I am surprised that with such overwhelming evidence, incredibly intelligent strategists and orators, you didn't manage to get your point across in the referendum.
 
Well I hope Neil Warnocks time is at least productive despite his awful Brexit issues, and perhaps he can have some therapy help in the future, and I just dont want another failure to happen to our club.
 
If, as it seems at the moment we're moving towards a no deal scenario, which from all predictions, it will all turn to shït
Having failed so far, to pin it on remainers, or the EU. The government now have the perfect excuse in place. Covid.
So it depends on those who voted for this outcome, no deal, and were told well before the virus arrived the consequences of that outcome, remember project fear.
Will those that did, own up to the reality of events they will be going through. Or stay in a state of denial.
But, Johnson will probably bottle it, he usually does, and do a deal that just about keeps the very worst happening.
No deal and Covid 19. The country could, maybe survive one, but not both.
 
These discussions always end up in a similar place. I truly hope that Brexit turns out the way that many people want it to and have been promised that it will. The truth, however, is that there is no reasonable or persuasive evidence that it will. Unfortunately the whole sorry affair was a sham and we are all about to suffer the consequences of it. Built on lies, electoral fraud, data protection breaches and, on the balance of probabilities, Russian interference. There is no mandate for the version of Brexit we are going to end up with (or any other version of Brexit for that matter) and the last election was anything but a ringing endorsement. This isn't democracy.
 
The "Majority " of the UK voted for this clustefcuk of a government too....
Take a step back and look at the disaster this lot have made of the Pandemic, ongoing by the way,and the highest death rate in Europe, promises made day after day that are basically just hot air and deflection strategies and then you can still tell people you really really really STILL trust them with the upcoming economic disaster that is Brexit. If you still say yes,God help us all....
 
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