To All The Tory Voters

I don't know enough about the NHS to comment on that perspective, however the assertion that it would be the same under any government is clearly rubbish.

Let's look at Nobby Barnes comment, as I have heard that from a few people, same scientists = same outcomes. Does anyone actually believe that?

A number of SAGE members have already said that lockdown was advised earlier and Johnson ignored the advice
Why are the minutes of the SAGE meetings redacted, cos the government have something to hide perhaps?

Now to other points, whoever you vote for the government always gets in, which is true as far as it goes.
Funding for social services, policing, schooling and the NHS have been drastically reduced year on year by the tories whilst reducing wages in real terms and getting rich themselves. In real terms Labour have always invested more in these core services than the tories. Whilst I don't like Blair, his spending on education, for example, was much much larger than the tories, in real terms.

The wealth gap has not increased at the same rate under different governments that is a fallacy. In a free market this will always happen, under any government, but by proper taxation it can be slowed, the tories first order of business when they get in is to offer tax breaks to their buddies and funders.

Anyone who doesn't vote has declared themselves out of the process and should be ashamed of themselves, people died for this democracy and you are pi**ing all over their sacrifice, and furthermore, I don't really care what your opinion is on the country. If you can't be bothered to use your ballot paper I can't be bothered to listen to you moan about the government.
 
As someone who works directly with Consultants, Advanced Practitioners, Specialist Doctors, Nurse Specialists, Neurologists, Social Workers and Social Care Providers i in Primary and Secondary Care I can say categorically that your statements are incorrect and inaccurate. Dont tar all "Doctors" with a wide brush which says more about your comprehension of reallity than the prevailing practices and conditions.

People know what my position is on Public Health Care so I dont need to elaborate..

Facts are important. Feelings lead to opinions.

My opinion of doctors isn't supposed to come across as negative really. I'm mostly trying to make the point that doctors should be doctors and not managers. Paying them to do managers work, or admin, is a poor use of resources. Their time is the finite resource and they can see more patients by spending their time in clinics, theatre and the ward instead of meetings. An effective manager gets the most out of their team.

As someone who has worked in the NHS you must also recognise that the best nurses, doctors, therapists etc get given managerial roles that they are not suited to. Then you lose your best clinical staff and you have poor managers. That's a pay structure problem because the NHS is too fixated on the hierarchy. The pay structure doesn't allow them to pay more for good staff. Managers don't have to earn more in the real world. They can be coordinators and let the good practitioners do what they are good at. The only time it seems to make sense is with doctors because they allow them to be on their own payscale and so you have managers managing better paid staff than themselves.
 
Instead of moaning, why don't you get involved in political parties? You can't change anything by doing nothing and complaining.
 
'You saying it would have been any different under another party ? '

For a start we'd have an extra 30,000 officers patrolling the streets at a cost of only £300,000
How does that work out? Are you paying each officer £10 each ?

I think your maths are wrong
 
Seriously, that just comes across as a rant.
And to rant back, if your reference about £350m is did I vote to leave the EU, then yes I did. And I did it because having lived on teesside all my life I have seen the decimation of shipbuilding, steel manufacture and mining in the area. The loss of well paid manufacturing jobs with decent pensions, replaced by service sector call centre jobs on minimum wages.

Can you explain please how the EU are responsible for the loss of ship building, manufacturing and mining in the North East?

Also do you think it will magically come back now we have left the EU?

Lastly, did all those above jobs really come with good pay and pensions?

Without around £2 Billion or so in EU funding in the Tees Valley, many of those s***y servicing jobs you so hate wouldn't exist at all with business parks such as Teesdale hugely benefitting.

The North East gets 10x what it puts in back from the EU, which is money the Tories will not replace.
 
I don't know enough about the NHS to comment on that perspective, however the assertion that it would be the same under any government is clearly rubbish.

Let's look at Nobby Barnes comment, as I have heard that from a few people, same scientists = same outcomes. Does anyone actually believe that?

A number of SAGE members have already said that lockdown was advised earlier and Johnson ignored the advice
Why are the minutes of the SAGE meetings redacted, cos the government have something to hide perhaps?

Now to other points, whoever you vote for the government always gets in, which is true as far as it goes.
Funding for social services, policing, schooling and the NHS have been drastically reduced year on year by the tories whilst reducing wages in real terms and getting rich themselves. In real terms Labour have always invested more in these core services than the tories. Whilst I don't like Blair, his spending on education, for example, was much much larger than the tories, in real terms.

The wealth gap has not increased at the same rate under different governments that is a fallacy. In a free market this will always happen, under any government, but by proper taxation it can be slowed, the tories first order of business when they get in is to offer tax breaks to their buddies and funders.

Anyone who doesn't vote has declared themselves out of the process and should be ashamed of themselves, people died for this democracy and you are pi**ing all over their sacrifice, and furthermore, I don't really care what your opinion is on the country. If you can't be bothered to use your ballot paper I can't be bothered to listen to you moan about the government.
It's not that I can't be bothered voting
Experience tells me it makes absolutely no difference who's in power to my life...
 
My opinion of doctors isn't supposed to come across as negative really. I'm mostly trying to make the point that doctors should be doctors and not managers. Paying them to do managers work, or admin, is a poor use of resources. Their time is the finite resource and they can see more patients by spending their time in clinics, theatre and the ward instead of meetings. An effective manager gets the most out of their team.

As someone who has worked in the NHS you must also recognise that the best nurses, doctors, therapists etc get given managerial roles that they are not suited to. Then you lose your best clinical staff and you have poor managers. That's a pay structure problem because the NHS is too fixated on the hierarchy. The pay structure doesn't allow them to pay more for good staff. Managers don't have to earn more in the real world. They can be coordinators and let the good practitioners do what they are good at. The only time it seems to make sense is with doctors because they allow them to be on their own payscale and so you have managers managing better paid staff than themselves.
Give me another industry where managers do not come from within.

Would you expect the chairman of Tesco to have no experience of Marketing?
 
Can you explain please how the EU are responsible for the loss of ship building, manufacturing and mining in the North East?

Also do you think it will magically come back now we have left the EU?

Lastly, did all those above jobs really come with good pay and pensions?

Without around £2 Billion or so in EU funding in the Tees Valley, many of those s***y servicing jobs you so hate wouldn't exist at all with business parks such as Teesdale hugely benefitting.

The North East gets 10x what it puts in back from the EU, which is money the Tories will not replace.
I think your point is mainly valid. But the EU have very strict rules on how you can assist businesses. However Maggie used unemployment as a policy
 
Due to a Tory Lockdown the Jobs have gone And Now the Hidious Mask folly..
I doubt the country will ever get back to normal..
But alas everyone simply accepts whatever garbage Fake Media tells them..
I have not worn a filthy Mask Not Now Not ever..
Its as near illigal and unenforcable as one can imagine..
And to take any notice of the WHO is sickening..
Trump has the right idea about that mob
And the sooner the UK ceases funding them the better..
Be warned they will insist on another Lockdown in December
Your not one to care about the general population then.
 
What about other people's lives? The homeless, the disabled for example.

You are aware, I’m sure, that the work capability assessment was brought in by a labour government.

When PFI gets mentioned the common response on here is John Major 1st introduced it so it can’t be any different for the WCA (would be very hypocritical otherwise)
 
You telling me under the Labour party we would have locked down earlier ?
Cos I never heard anything from them at the time...

They would also have been negotiating a new EU deal and we would as a nation be having a referendum during the pandemic. Unless they broke their manifesto and Brexit promises of course.

Imagine the uncertainty in the economy if no one knew if we were staying or leaving still, which would have been the case under labour. Unless of course they did push ahead with a referendum mid pandemic
 
You are aware, I’m sure, that the work capability assessment was brought in by a labour government.

When PFI gets mentioned the common response on here is John Major 1st introduced it so it can’t be any different for the WCA (would be very hypocritical otherwise)
Nothing wrong with assessments, just the 'tick boxers' saying computer says "no". I look forward to closing down our foodbank due to no demand.

They would also have been negotiating a new EU deal and we would as a nation be having a referendum during the pandemic. Unless they broke their manifesto and Brexit promises of course.

Imagine the uncertainty in the economy if no one knew if we were staying or leaving still, which would have been the case under labour. Unless of course they did push ahead with a referendum mid pandemic
Imagine the uncertainty of our current position under a corrupt, lying government. No need to imagine, it's happening.
 
Seriously, that just comes across as a rant.
And to rant back, if your reference about £350m is did I vote to leave the EU, then yes I did. And I did it because having lived on teesside all my life I have seen the decimation of shipbuilding, steel manufacture and mining in the area. The loss of well paid manufacturing jobs with decent pensions, replaced by service sector call centre jobs on minimum wages.

Shame on you for blaming it on the EU and the lies peddled about their influence on domestic policy.
 
It’s hardly a tick box exercise... but then it’s the common perception. You only have to read comments online to realise some have literally no understanding of how that assessment works.
 
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