Britain has just saved £72bn.... German MEP celebrates Brexit as he lays into EU spending plans for coronavirus recovery fund

My logic is, why is an extra level of review required when the always agree.

They don’t always agree. But they do agree with our courts more than most.
The court is for the whole of the EU - those member states whose judicial system isn’t as robust does need a ‘just in case’.
Equally - it may be better for us in some instances if their interpretation of law is better than ours.
 
The German MEP is from the right-wing populist party AfD. They're anti-EU in any case so of course he'd be celebrating Brexit.
 
As you’ve brought it up and I was going to mention it earlier bought thought it’s too deep for this topic but the European coal and steel community was basically to limit the raw materials of war that Germany could obtain.

He declared his aim was to "make war not only unthinkable but materially impossible"

So it was a means to monitor each other


Yes, and?
 
Our country has always belonged to us, and been ruled by us without interference unless you count US military on our soil for 75 years

Would that be the US military which saved our backsides in world wars one and two? and the greatest contributors to NATO which has gone a long way to securing a relatively peaceful Europe for the past 75 years?
 
Not to belittle the United States contribution in any way, but we would never have been invaded by Germany and apart from a crucial time around Dunkirk, we wouldn't have negotiated peace either. It would have taken longer, but ultimately the resources we had with the Empire and our naval power meant a long war was unwinnable for Germany.
 
Leftie, my old fella I found out too late was a bit of a war hero. He never told us anything.

In his view we were shagg ed without the Americans.

But this an argument that cannot be won
 
Brexiteers have been called everything from Rabit racists , nuckledraggers, low life, thick, to be pittied, uneducated, ... Any other segment of the population and it would have been banned on here.

I don't think because a lad is a hospital porter and voted for brexit makes him any less of a person than those throwing the insults.

It was not just on here, it was MPs telling them, Labour MPs not Tories.

I find it utterly disgusting
 
Not to belittle the United States contribution in any way, but we would never have been invaded by Germany and apart from a crucial time around Dunkirk, we wouldn't have negotiated peace either. It would have taken longer, but ultimately the resources we had with the Empire and our naval power meant a long war was unwinnable for Germany.
......we wouldn't have negotiated peace either"
Lefty- The Tory, Lord Halifax wanted to surrender in 1940 "to get a good deal".
Our friends, the United States, had plans to invade the UK in the 1920's but only the strength of our Navy dettered them. They said it was a strategic exercise but if you are making plans like that who needs enemies.
 
......we wouldn't have negotiated peace either"
Lefty- The Tory, Lord Halifax wanted to surrender in 1940 "to get a good deal".
Our friends, the United States, had plans to invade the UK in the 1920's but only the strength of our Navy dettered them. They said it was a strategic exercise but if you are making plans like that who needs enemies.
I never knew that. Is the source still available?

This will take up my spare time , cheers for informing me.
 
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Our friends, the United States, had plans to invade the UK in the 1920's but only the strength of our Navy dettered them.
That's rubbish Trug. Well there is an element of truth, the USA did draw all sorts of "War Plans" during the inter war period

Red - War with the UK
Green - War with Mexico
Gold - France
Yellow - China
etc, there were loads

Just planning exercises. We had plans for war with them too.
 
That's rubbish Trug. Well there is an element of truth, the USA did draw all sorts of "War Plans" during the inter war period

Red - War with the UK
Green - War with Mexico
Gold - France
Yellow - China
etc, there were loads

Just planning exercises. We had plans for war with them too.
Nothing rubbish about it Muttley. The plans existed, they are easily found. They may well have been planning exercises- but they were plans to invade their friends, neighbours and allies.
But the bit about Lord Halifax has always intrigued me. How come nothing more was made of this? Whenever the Tories stated that Labour couldn't be trusted with our defence, this should have been thrown straight back in their faces.
 
Leftie, my old fella I found out too late was a bit of a war hero. He never told us anything.

In his view we were shagg ed without the Americans.

But this an argument that cannot be won

Your old fella, especially if he was in a regular army or tank corps, in the navy or merchant navy or flew aircraft, most definitely was a hero.

He had no appreciation of the war at the Operational level though, nor how the war was going from the German side. The Germans were a smallish largely land locked central European power. Britain was a global Superpower with a huge empire. It was a global war and we had access to 80% of the worlds shipping. The German's had a handful of pocket battleships and cruisers, most of whom hardly left port and never came out for a fleet action. It was all a matter of time. Even the U-boat threat, which worried Churchill most, did not come close to putting us under as much strain as our blockade of Germany did. Despite what you have heard about rationing people in the UK were well fed. No-one starved at home and our troops had excellent rations. German civilians did not get well fed and started rationing as soon as war was declared in 1939. Apparently the German troops were jealous of our rations and the prison guards were furious that the British prisoners they were guarding were better fed from the food parcels sent than they were.

Too much of the history of WW2 focuses on the land battles in Western Europe because they are sexier, but the second world war was won at the operational and strategic levels. We were better at that than the Germans, far, far better.

Let's park this, it's taking the thread of at a tangent. My apologies.
 
......we wouldn't have negotiated peace either"
Lefty- The Tory, Lord Halifax wanted to surrender in 1940 "to get a good deal".
Our friends, the United States, had plans to invade the UK in the 1920's but only the strength of our Navy dettered them. They said it was a strategic exercise but if you are making plans like that who needs enemies.

Yes, Halifax did want to negotiate a peace settlement and actually opened a back channel via Italy to sound out negotiations.
 
The bit about Lord Halifax is in Churchills auto biography.
The bit about the invasion of the UK, Canada and the British Empire is easily found. It was code named War Plan Red.
Halifax I knew, the rest is new to me. A bit of digging I think.

Lefty he told me, he did make things up though, that he landed on the IOW and thought he was in France. He was a Marine
 
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