Britain has just saved £72bn.... German MEP celebrates Brexit as he lays into EU spending plans for coronavirus recovery fund

Nato wouldn't get involved in the Falklands... why would they its outside their remit.

The US played a big part in buying up exocets that were selling on the black market... they kept loads out of the hands or the Argies. They also refused to supply parts for the Skyhawks the Argies were flying. It was also rumoured that RR was going to lend us an aircraft carrier (or rather a LHD) had we lost one to enemy fire.

The French also played a big part... they had agreed weapon sales with Argentina priory to the outbreak of war but had not delivered... they had to complete the sales, but sabotaged all the equipment making it unusable (the major bit of tech this included was the shore fire version of excoet.
 
xxlshirts_fit_all said:
This has gotta be a wind up... you think we are now free of being interfered with from third parties... aye them Russians pumping millions into the Tory party don’t want anything in return.... shees, none as blind as those that can’t see....
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It was more third party interference .... as in democracy / laws rather than corruption - unfortunately I can't control the tory party
 
Juninho10 said:
It was more third party interference .... as in democracy / laws rather than corruption - unfortunately I can't control the tory party
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There is always going to be third party involvement and laws to abide to when it comes to international trade. Who is going to adjudicate over a dispute under WTO rules?
 
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Juninho10 said:
MEP Gunnar Beck celebrated Brexit as a move that has saved Britain sending billions of pounds to the European Union's coronavirus recovery fund.

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saved nothing really, 1st major month of Covid 19, it cost UK Gov't over £60 Bn on support measures, and similar amounts each month, will take us years to pay for all the support the Gov't has agreed/offered
 
For balance, we would have sent the 72 billion to the EU and continued spending in the UK on top of that contribution. We don't really know at the moment whether there is a net gain on COVID funding just yet in terms of in/out of the EU.

What we do know is we would have saved a lot of money on PPE, GPS satellite systems and a track and trace application had we remained in the EU. Ooh scratch that, we could have co-purchased PPE, stayed with the Gallileo GPS system and spent just 700,000 on a track and trace app. The issue isn't in or out of the EU it is the vultures running our country that are the main issue spending my money and your money on sh*t just to make their mates a bit richer.

On the subject of the Falklands, didn't the US refuse to sell us sidewinder missiles in the first instance. My understanding is without the sidewinder missiles the Harrier is pretty useless. I cannot recall why they (the USA) relented in the end.
 
zorro_mfc said:
I’m not debating the economic issues of leaving the EU as that’s a separate issue, I was arguing that “the Eu” kept the peace argument as it’s rubbish.
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Read the Schuman declaration.

Like it or not, but the ECSC, followed by the EEC et al, were as integral to the postwar liberal order in W Europe as anything else. To deny it is to misunderstand History.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there are a fair few professional historians who'd happily correct you
 
Juninho10 said:
Thats my opinion.. no less valid than yours or anybody else's
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To you, your opinion is valid to you as much as anyone else.

To anyone independent, an opinion of someone that knows what they're talking about is worth much more than that of someone who doesn't. Or at least is should be this way.

For example:
I'm more likely to believe an expert in trade, economics or the vast majority of business owners that trade with the EU and the rest of the world
I'm less likely to believe a bloke on a forum who has zero backup for what he's writing, and likely isn't an expert in the fields mentioned above

Another example:
If I don't feel too well or if I've been in a massive accident, then I'm going to go to the GP or the hospital and get them to take a look at me, seeing as they're the experts.
What I'm not going to do is go down the pub and ask Jimmy to take a look at my various ailments, and get him to patch me up, in between his 7th and 8th pint.

There's a correlation between willingness to listen to experts and level of education/ ability for rational thinking, idiots tend to be ignorant of expert advice, facts, or rational thinking that's why they're idiots. In this category you have Brexiters, Flat Earthers, Anti-Vaxxers, Climate change deniers etc, all of them go against widely accepted advice/ expert opinion from those most skilled in those areas.

There's also some people that are smart or deluded/ extremely wealthy/ have no morals. They know expert advice is good for the majority of people, but for them it isn't, so they try and steer/ lie to people to help them personally (at the majority's expense). For them ignoring the generic expert advice can be a good thing, as it lines their pockets. This is where Boris, Farage, Dyson, Martin and Cummings sit.
 
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LaPennaBianca said:
Read the Schuman declaration.

Like it or not, but the ECSC, followed by the EEC et al, were as integral to the postwar liberal order in W Europe as anything else. To deny it is to misunderstand History.

You're entitled to your opinion, but there are a fair few professional historians who'd happily correct you
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As you’ve brought it up and I was going to mention it earlier bought thought it’s too deep for this topic but the European coal and steel community was basically to limit the raw materials of war that Germany could obtain.

He declared his aim was to "make war not only unthinkable but materially impossible"

So it was a means to monitor each other
 
Laughing said:
For balance, we would have sent the 72 billion to the EU and continued spending in the UK on top of that contribution. We don't really know at the moment whether there is a net gain on COVID funding just yet in terms of in/out of the EU.

What we do know is we would have saved a lot of money on PPE, GPS satellite systems and a track and trace application had we remained in the EU. Ooh scratch that, we could have co-purchased PPE, stayed with the Gallileo GPS system and spent just 700,000 on a track and trace app. The issue isn't in or out of the EU it is the vultures running our country that are the main issue spending my money and your money on sh*t just to make their mates a bit richer.

On the subject of the Falklands, didn't the US refuse to sell us sidewinder missiles in the first instance. My understanding is without the sidewinder missiles the Harrier is pretty useless. I cannot recall why they (the USA) relented in the end.
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I believe it was because Thatcher had to beg Reagan.
 
Juninho10 said:
It's nice to finally be getting our country back - my family didn't fight and die in the Somme - so we would be ruled by interference by third-parties
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How on earth do you know the reasons they fought and died in The Somme?
Most were just whisked up on a wave of propaganda and went with the flow without any thought about the awful circumstances of war and how they would be firked over.

That kind of thinking has some resonance with the referendum too
 
Laughing said:
For balance, we would have sent the 72 billion to the EU and continued spending in the UK on top of that contribution. We don't really know at the moment whether there is a net gain on COVID funding just yet in terms of in/out of the EU.

What we do know is we would have saved a lot of money on PPE, GPS satellite systems and a track and trace application had we remained in the EU. Ooh scratch that, we could have co-purchased PPE, stayed with the Gallileo GPS system and spent just 700,000 on a track and trace app. The issue isn't in or out of the EU it is the vultures running our country that are the main issue spending my money and your money on sh*t just to make their mates a bit richer.

On the subject of the Falklands, didn't the US refuse to sell us sidewinder missiles in the first instance. My understanding is without the sidewinder missiles the Harrier is pretty useless. I cannot recall why they (the USA) relented in the end.
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And we could be pulling together with the EU in this fight with Covid19 instead of joining up for this fight with China.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
And people wonder why a section of Brexiters are mocked for being thick?
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I would say it is the same ration as Remainers. But to be fair to CtC anyone with an opinion different to his is 50 below him in IQ .

He really does not like that the blokes in my workies voted to leave. Why he thinks he and other Remainers are better than them I do not get.
 
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Why do these always end up as EC good US bad.

As I keep telling you with the exception of Ireland and it's assistance to German intelligence I cannot think of an English speaking country we have been at war with in my parents lifetime.

I would still rather trust US before the EC.
 
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