Urgent review into how PHE death figures

Curious that your explanation includes the phrase “in your opinion “ and state it’s “impossible to figure out” yet when querying bears post you used an absolute term that he was wrong? How can you prove whether he is right or wrong if you think it’s impossible?

'Almost impossible..' the point is I can't prove it and neither can he thus in absolute terms he is wrong.

It's in the same way that we can't prove what was causing the excess deaths in October to December.

What are your thoughts on those excess deaths ST?
 
There are possible alternative reasons.

Shutting down all NHS functions
People being afraid to go to A and E

Are two they can't be proven or disproven so how can you find an alternative?

Add to that suicides, god knows how many people have suffered so much through lockdown that they've taken their own lives.
 
'Almost impossible..' the point is I can't prove it and neither can he thus in absolute terms he is wrong.

I'm not sure you understand what that means! Because that/s not a correct statement. If you can't prove something, you can't state that someone is wrong for stating it.
 
Shutting down other functions of nhs and people not going to a&e will increase the death rate slightly. Suicides possibly but no real evidence for this. All what about the reduction in deaths due to road accidents, homocides, reduced air pollution and reduced industrial accidents. Yes some covid deaths were counted that shouldn't but there is almost certainly more deaths not counted as covid that should especially in the beginning.
 
Shutting down all NHS functions is a figment of your imagination I'm afraid. Having had non urgent surgery after seeing a consultant on being referred by my GP I know the statement to be wrong. A good friend of mine has had surgery too. Another treated in A&E for a heart attack who tested positive for Covid19, with no symptoms.

The numbers attending A&E will, as explained a few threads above, be diminished due to people isolating. Industrial, motor, sports accidents well below the norm, drink related injuries cut back through pubs being closed.
 
Shutting down all NHS functions is a figment of your imagination I'm afraid. Having had non urgent surgery after seeing a consultant on being referred by my GP I know the statement to be wrong. A good friend of mine has had surgery too. Another treated in A&E for a heart attack who tested positive for Covid19, with no symptoms.

The numbers attending A&E will, as explained a few threads above, be diminished due to people isolating. Industrial, motor, sports accidents well below the norm, drink related injuries cut back through pubs being closed.

It's definitely not though NHS officials have confirmed it constantly.
I mean just do some cursory googling.. for instance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...d-out-on-tests-during-uk-coronavirus-lockdown

My GP practice to this day are not doing normal appointments.
 
I wonder what those who have recovered from 'a virus' (the majority) were suffering from. Have they any suggestions?

Anybody come up with an answer for the excess deaths total yet?
You are missing the point.
Plus can you absolutely verify all those deaths?

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Taken from the SAGE minutes.
 
PHE
"From 29 April, figures for deaths include all cases where there is a positive confirmed test for coronavirus. The figures include deaths with lab-confirmed COVID-19 in all settings, not just those in hospital, and this provides us with a single figure on an equivalent basis for the whole of the UK."

ONS
"In addition to these figures, ONS publishes weekly counts of deaths in which coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificate. This publication is issued every Tuesday, starting on 31 March 2020."

So ONS will give a more accurate count and does not make any reference to the PHE daily figures.
 
So is this enquiry to find out how many people recovered from C19 but died after for an unrelated reason, but added the covid death figures?
If, like Scotland, you intend to eradicate the disease from your borders, it's important to know if you are seeing any increase in deaths from covid-19. I'm not sure what the English policy is.
 
Seems the CDC in America and various state medical organisations have some questions to answer about how they go about data collection.

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Been saying this for months. I find it completely unrealistic to believe that Matt Hancock has just discovered this 'news' now. Does it not seem more plausible that he/they knew this all along, and allowed numbers to be inflated whilst driving lockdown measures in April, then releasing the news they were inflated on the day they also release news of mass easing of restrictions and a hopeful return to 'normal' by November?

Who was the person(s) responsible for making the decision that all COVID cases should be reported that way, unlike any other virus, in the first place? Why aren't they being called out?
 
Been saying this for months. I find it completely unrealistic to believe that Matt Hancock has just discovered this 'news' now. Does it not seem more plausible that he/they knew this all along, and allowed numbers to be inflated whilst driving lockdown measures in April, then releasing the news they were inflated on the day they also release news of mass easing of restrictions and a hopeful return to 'normal' by November?

Who was the person(s) responsible for making the decision that all COVID cases should be reported that way, unlike any other virus, in the first place? Why aren't they being called out?
It doesn't appear to have been an issue months ago. It might have inflated overall figures by 2.5% mainly in the last month. Other viruses aren't tested like this. The method vastly underestimates the total number who have died. It is important going forward though if we are, as in Scotland, trying to eradicate the disease. Unfortunately our half and half policy over the last three months doesn't suggest that is the intention and many more people are going to suffer from a horrible disease that good policy has avoided in dozens of other countries.
 
Without a doubt we’ve over reported. When you look on some sites it’s hard to understand just what a terrible health service we do have. The ratio for deaths to cases in some middle/Far East And South American countries is Quite remarkable.
 
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