Wilder Putting Himself out there again

He did leave a decent squad behind, as evidenced by the league position we’re in - obviously the work Carrick and his staff have done has been instrumental but let’s not pretend the squad wasn’t underperforming when he arrived.

Managers leave squads in lowly positions only for the next bloke to pick them up and improve them. Warnock improved Woodgate’s situation, Karanka improved on Mowbray, etc.

He has an impressive track record. One sacking in 20-odd years is impressive.

He should’ve dealt with the Burnley speculation better. Everyone accepts that. I think he was or is annoyed he didn’t get all the players he wanted in the two windows, but also think he knew the set-up when he took the job so doesn’t have much scope for complaint on that front. I also sympathise with him for losing Tav a day or two before the first game of the season.

Wilder added Steffen, Smith, Giles, Lenihan, McGree, Forss to a pretty decent core of players.

He left under a cloud, obviously. We were struggling. We had lost our shape and stopped defending properly. It happens to teams. But we had an excellent few months under Wilder and an excellent cup run. Let’s not pretend those things didn’t happen.
Wilder was given Steffen, Smith, Giles, Lenihan, McGree, Forss on top of a pretty decent core of players, and still couldn't get any results. And yet still complained about recruitment.
 
He did leave a decent squad behind, as evidenced by the league position we’re in - obviously the work Carrick and his staff have done has been instrumental but let’s not pretend the squad wasn’t underperforming when he arrived.

Managers leave squads in lowly positions only for the next bloke to pick them up and improve them. Warnock improved Woodgate’s situation, Karanka improved on Mowbray, etc.

He has an impressive track record. One sacking in 20-odd years is impressive.

He should’ve dealt with the Burnley speculation better. Everyone accepts that. I think he was or is annoyed he didn’t get all the players he wanted in the two windows, but also think he knew the set-up when he took the job so doesn’t have much scope for complaint on that front. I also sympathise with him for losing Tav a day or two before the first game of the season.

Wilder added Steffen, Smith, Giles, Lenihan, McGree, Forss to a pretty decent core of players.

He left under a cloud, obviously. We were struggling. We had lost our shape and stopped defending properly. It happens to teams. But we had an excellent few months under Wilder and an excellent cup run. Let’s not pretend those things didn’t happen.
I remember an excellent few months under Woodgate.. and he had a lot less talent at his disposal. Wilder gets plaudits and column inches and Woodgate gets.. under appreciated.

Warnock did all of the groundwork for Wilder.. nothing fancy from Wilder. He handled new signings poorly and identified some right duffers!
 
I remember an excellent few months under Woodgate.. and he had a lot less talent at his disposal. Wilder gets plaudits and column inches and Woodgate gets.. under appreciated.

Warnock did all of the groundwork for Wilder.. nothing fancy from Wilder. He handled new signings poorly and identified some right duffers!
An excellent few months under Woodgate? Was that four wins over Christmas?
 
Chris.. you were given

Man City's number 2
Blackburn's Captain
The best LWB in the league
Ex Huddersfield captain
A midfielder who orchestrated bloody Barnsley making the play offs
A finish international with double figures in a play off success
A USA international with 6 goals in the bundesliga
A young Brazilian with promotion on his CV
A defender who's won POTY 3 times
League 2's best Goalkeeper

That is hardly a disastrous list.
5 of those are permanent fixtures of our side. And all are key.
Mowatt, Roberts, Muniz and Clarke (if he's ever fit again) are players were happy to have in our squad.

You were given Flo Balogun and you dropped him for Aaron Connolly. The same Flo Balogun absolutely tearing it up in the French league and who Arsenal think is worth 40k a week.

You constantly tried to make players play your 5-3-2.
Clarke and Fry can not overlap.
Mcgree should never have been in a deep CM role.

You scoff that it's not your tactics, how could it be, you're a tactical Jesus

You continously threw players under the bus
Dijksteel, Fry, Bola, Jones all got it.

Neil Warnock built your foundations, he believed in the squad, he was popular with fans and the players. Ultimately we shouldn't have gave him a new deal if we wanted longer term and he was treated terribly but he left with our respect and love. Humility and our gratitude.
You referred to him as 'The last manager' how disrespectful can you be

You are not Pep, You are not Klopp. You fluked one decent season in the PL then when you got sussed you finished bottom. Your ex chairman called you and your media darling persona out.
Kieran Scott called you out. You wanted out the first opportunity you got.

A rookie manager has got a tune out of your squad, the squad that every man and his dog said would be top 6 at least. Guess where they are now? 3rd!

You left them in a good place? We were 22nd, morale on the deck, Leo had to pick them up and get them realising you're not that bad, Carrick took over that mantle after him.

The fans can't stand you.
We like Warnock, we like Woody. We like karanka, we like Southgate. They've all admitted they made mistakes and remain popular.

You, Monk, Pulis, Strachan can all do one
Some illustrious company there.

You'll be in league one next, or SPL. You're a genius.
Cardiff, QPR, Blackpool, Stoke and many others have already turned their nose up at you.

Truly horrific me, me. Me attitude. Chairmen will call Gibbo and he'll tell them exactly how you are. I wouldn't be turning your nose up at teams like Portsmouth though, you'll be lucky to get better
 
As I’ve said on another thread recently.

When he was trying to coach the players he had at his disposal to play his system (it’s Alan Knill’s actually by the way) we were pretty good. McNair did generally quite well overlapping from the left and Dijksteel, Jones and Crooks formed a good partnership.

However, he attempted a huge power play by then publicly announcing that a number of unnamed first team players weren’t good enough in his end of season address “aaaaiiiiuuuuddeeeee owaaa aaaabbbilllliiiehhh” in an attempt to force the chairman’s hand into signing players that did not fit the recruitment model. This alongside his willingness to flirt with jobs not notably higher in stature than ourselves (not something Mr Gibson likes) led to him not being trusted or especially liked by both hierarchy and playing staff.

I’m not quite sure why he thought that speech would work, maybe it was the angry response to the Preston game that comes from a man who’s blood pressure is constantly high from too many Peroni’s, or maybe he thought it would actually work and Gibson would let him bring in Strand Larsen for 10m, Greaves for 7m and Mcgoldrick and Gayle on canny wages? We thought it was the hierarchy not backing the manager and I myself was annoyed at that.

Information from people at the club who’ve played under him and been around him would suggest he was confrontational and the players he bombed out and was happy to let go didn’t want to play for him anymore and the club didn’t agree on his assessment of our assets.

Players stopped being arsed, midfield was too swamped for the formation and he refused to change it, club lost trust in him for a number of reasons.

Thanks for the memories, Chris. It’s a shame that the biggest one however is that you’re a narcissist.

I know Southgate seemed a bit soft in his early days in management and Mogga could be a bit grumpy sometimes but isn’t it nice to have a gentleman back in charge?
 
He never mentions that despite having one of the beter team in the league we were 22nd when he was sacked.
 
The squad was ridiculously unbalanced for the way, the only way, he wanted to play. If he was more flexible and played to our strengths he would have done a lot better, especially this season. Getting rid of him was one Gibson's best decisions.
 
As I’ve said on another thread recently.

When he was trying to coach the players he had at his disposal to play his system (it’s Alan Knill’s actually by the way) we were pretty good. McNair did generally quite well overlapping from the left and Dijksteel, Jones and Crooks formed a good partnership.

However, he attempted a huge power play by then publicly announcing that a number of unnamed first team players weren’t good enough in his end of season address “aaaaiiiiuuuuddeeeee owaaa aaaabbbilllliiiehhh” in an attempt to force the chairman’s hand into signing players that did not fit the recruitment model. This alongside his willingness to flirt with jobs not notably higher in stature than ourselves (not something Mr Gibson likes) led to him not being trusted or especially liked by both hierarchy and playing staff.

I’m not quite sure why he thought that speech would work, maybe it was the angry response to the Preston game that comes from a man who’s blood pressure is constantly high from too many Peroni’s, or maybe he thought it would actually work and Gibson would let him bring in Strand Larsen for 10m, Greaves for 7m and Mcgoldrick and Gayle on canny wages? We thought it was the hierarchy not backing the manager and I myself was annoyed at that.

Information from people at the club who’ve played under him and been around him would suggest he was confrontational and the players he bombed out and was happy to let go didn’t want to play for him anymore and the club didn’t agree on his assessment of our assets.

Players stopped being arsed, midfield was too swamped for the formation and he refused to change it, club lost trust in him for a number of reasons.

Thanks for the memories, Chris. It’s a shame that the biggest one however is that you’re a narcissist.

I know Southgate seemed a bit soft in his early days in management and Mogga could be a bit grumpy sometimes but isn’t it nice to have a gentleman back in charge?
Well put.👍
 
Nothing much more to add after Morton94 and Big_Nothing. Sums up his tenure very well.

I personally don't dislike Wilder, I've never met him, but from a fans perspective he's a bit of a charlatan. Continually patting himself on the back, putting himself on a pedestal, always someone else's fault. Never once put his hands up and said "aye, got that wrong". Bad trait in a person not admitting you're wrong. I think if he did, a lot of fans wouldn't be so hostile towards him.

But, he's gone, it was a strange 10 months - promised so much but ultimately ended in pretty abject failure.

And what can he take away from his Middlesbrough experience - don't f*ck with Gibson. Right or wrong, never ends well for his opponents.
 
I don't have as many ill feelings towards Wilder as many clearly do. Many people, me included, were singing his praises this time last year. Amazing turn around, promotion candidates, breath of fresh air, best manager in the league etc.

As time went on though and we heard more from him it seemed to me that he thought he was much more intelligent than he is when in reality I'm not sure he is particularly bright, even for a footballer. He talks with that classic bluster of self importance but lacks any sort of self awareness. I strongly believe he had an epiphany at some point, or he learnt something when studying for his badges that he then implemented (overlapping centre backs / overloads) which worked when teams weren't expecting it but once other teams were aware it became easy to stop and he had no clue how or why his tactic wasn't working and he just kept trying it over and over again. Like if you leave fixed instructions when you are away on Football Manager. He is still delusional enough to believe that his one tactic is the answer and wherever he goes next he'll be set up in exactly the same way and he'll have some short-term success before he's sussed again.

On top of that limited ability to see the bigger picture he also seems to be a terrible man manager. He only wants people that work hard, even if they aren't particularly good. He dismisses anyone that shows any individuality, he doesn't trust youngsters and he constantly tells the press how poor his players are and how he needs better players. If he had been backed better by the recruitment team (which means getting the players he wanted to fit his system) then he could have had a half decent season but it would have ended in disaster because he's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
I am in a minority who agrees with you, thought he did a reasonable job last season, but as soon as the wheels fell off he couldn’t wait to find someone to blame. Not sure how or why relationships broke down, but am happier with the current fella😉
 
I couldn't be arsed to read the story because he is full of his own self importance! knob
Read it, it confirms with a sledgehammer what an egotistical sly pr*ck he is. He talks about knowing his players and how being a good man manager means you know which players you can criticise I public, comparing himself to Pep, but no mention of how he royaly fu *ked that up at Boro time and time again. See Dael Fry and Anfernee Dijksteel.

The thing is the best things about him (and there were good things) he doesn't talk about. The way he would use his subs and the way he would defend a lead by bringing on strikers was superb, the way he makes demands of supporters and create a superb atmosphere in the ground. But this season he forgot those things. He lost his bottle and only played with one striker, tried to go defensive and couldn't do it.

He's an odious character who thinks he's Billy big bollo cks, but really isn't, and we've got super Michael Carrick. UTB
 
He did leave a decent squad behind, as evidenced by the league position we’re in - obviously the work Carrick and his staff have done has been instrumental but let’s not pretend the squad wasn’t underperforming when he arrived.

Managers leave squads in lowly positions only for the next bloke to pick them up and improve them. Warnock improved Woodgate’s situation, Karanka improved on Mowbray, etc.

He has an impressive track record. One sacking in 20-odd years is impressive.

He should’ve dealt with the Burnley speculation better. Everyone accepts that. I think he was or is annoyed he didn’t get all the players he wanted in the two windows, but also think he knew the set-up when he took the job so doesn’t have much scope for complaint on that front. I also sympathise with him for losing Tav a day or two before the first game of the season.

Wilder added Steffen, Smith, Giles, Lenihan, McGree, Forss to a pretty decent core of players.

He left under a cloud, obviously. We were struggling. We had lost our shape and stopped defending properly. It happens to teams. But we had an excellent few months under Wilder and an excellent cup run. Let’s not pretend those things didn’t happen.
Don’t come here with you objective opinions

You have to subjective and call wilder a cbomb pr1ck or whatever else people have been mustering up
 
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