Greenwood

ForssAwakens said:
Well it could be she’s willing to put up with domestic violence because he’s rich
It could be her family have influenced to stay with her


Highly unlikely but just pointing out we don’t really know why she’s got back with him only she will
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Indeed, the family one is a definite possibility. The one about her putting up with him because he's rich would sit under the 'control' category I would say.
 
I'm assuming the witness is actually the victim...withdrawn because she's back with him rather than paid off.
However that is just my assumption.

Like said above, domestic abuse victims often find it very difficult to leave their partners for many reasons and often stay in violent relationships for years. No matter how much friends/family may try and convince them otherwise.
 
AM has summarised it. We can only speculate as to why she’s back with him but withdrawing as a witness does not mean the evidence they already have can’t still be used at trial. The ‘further information’ it’s said to be is that as they are now back together she is willing to work against the case against him by undermining the key evidence she initially provided.

Sad really because it was pretty clear from the initial leak that she was abused by him. If he plays for another club it will be a stain on that club as an institution. The recording and images will never be fully expunged from the internet and are there for anyone who should wish to look for them. Depressing for victims of this kind of behaviour that he can seemingly by or coerce his way out of it. Even more depressingly this happens in cases with far less wealthy or powerful men more often than you’d think.
 
BaronSmoggie said:
Its been taken down now. At the time, a video was posted on Twitter and talked about extensively on Reddit. Both are no longer available.
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Thanks mate, I hadn't seen anything (obvs knew about the case etc.) so didn't know what the videos contained...do they show him assaulting her? Hard to believe that wouldn't be enough evidence on its own.
 
American_Mary said:
Greenwood is back with the woman who he was accused of raping, she is not prepared to give evidence against him which means the chances of getting a prosecution are negligible, so the CPS have decided to drop the charges.

The audio and photographs were pretty damning but the fact she's back with him puts huge question marks against the whole case.

It has to be hoped that other men take this as a green light to behave in similar ways and that women who are the victims of such attacks are not deterred from coming forward to the police.
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I presume you mean other men don’t take this as a green light!
 
Kevcharben said:
If she has gone back with him, hence withdrawing involvement, does that mean in the future these charges can be reinstated?
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The fact that she doesnt support a prosecution does not automatically mean that they case is dropped, but it obviously makes it more difficult to do so. None of us know what the victim would now say in her evidence, but I'm guessing it undermines the case significantly.

I also think it's worth remembering a few facts around this and similar cases; there doesn't need to be any 'evidence' for him to be interviewed by the police, only a reasonable suspicion he's committed the offence, but at the point he is prosecuted there needs to be a realistic chance of conviction based on the evidence. That latter position most likely has now changed.

We all get the fact that he has effectively had his career paused and most likely irreparably damaged, but in this case I think most people would feel he's culpable, to some degree?
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
The fact that she doesnt support a prosecution does not automatically mean that they case is dropped, but it obviously makes it more difficult to do so. None of us know what the victim would now say in her evidence, but I'm guessing it undermines the case significantly.

I also think it's worth remembering a few facts around this and similar cases; there doesn't need to be any 'evidence' for him to be interviewed by the police, only a reasonable suspicion he's committed the offence, but at the point he is prosecuted there needs to be a realistic chance of conviction based on the evidence. That latter position most likely has now changed.

We all get the fact that he has effectively had his career paused and most likely irreparably damaged, but in this case I think most people would feel he's culpable, to some degree?
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Well the case collapses as soon as she refuses to give evidence. I believe his defence was that it was role play? I'm sure that was reported at the time.

If she doesn't give evidence to deny that, how can anyone in the jury say for certain it wasn't?

No case.
 
B_G said:
Well the case collapses as soon as she refuses to give evidence. I believe his defence was that it was role play? I'm sure that was reported at the time.

If she doesn't give evidence to deny that, how can anyone in the jury say for certain it wasn't?

No case.
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Not necessarily, she can be treated as a hostile witness and summonsed, although this obviously brings its own complications.

It's a difficult balancing act.
 
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Frozen Horse said:
"The Crown Prosecution Service said the charges were discontinued after key witnesses withdrew their involvement."

This seems to be the key line.

It suggest there was enough evidence to proceed, but with this withdrawal, there no longer is.

It does invite speculation as to why it was withdrawn.
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You missed the bit out where it mentions it was also because 'new material that has come to light'.

You, I and nobody else knows what's gone on. Some pretty sweeping presumptions on here.
 
CarrickBall said:
You missed the bit out where it mentions it was also because 'new material that has come to light'.

You, I and nobody else knows what's gone on. Some pretty sweeping presumptions on here.
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Gonna happen though isn't it, when a victim has posted her evidence on social media.
 
MVBoro said:
Most likely due to the girl not wanting to be a witness. It would be nigh on impossible to bring a successful prosecution if you didn't have the victim willing to give evidence.

It happens a lot in domestic violence/abuse type cases.

Be interesting to see if ManU take him back (I think it's probably unlikely).

However another Prem team will take him, as he was/is a very good footballer.
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another prem team won't touch him if utd won't. he will go abroad where they wont give 2 *****
 
atypical_boro said:
If she's back with him, either he never did actually rape her and she made out like he did because they'd had a row. OR he has a very strong hold over her that is probably going to end very badly for all parties. I suppose the third option is that she thinks he's 'changed'. Who knows.
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why would he get back together with her if she made it up, can see someone who has a history of being abused getting back with the abuser as its very common
 
CarrickBall said:
You missed the bit out where it mentions it was also because 'new material that has come to light'.

You, I and nobody else knows what's gone on. Some pretty sweeping presumptions on here.
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Yeah, in the same way that people know they’re back together, the new information has also been shared somewhat publicly too. It’s her undermining her original evidence which means that even if she has withdrawn as a witness, the evidence is tarnished for any future charges.
 
muniz said:
why would he get back together with her if she made it up, can see someone who has a history of being abused getting back with the abuser as its very common
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Yes thats possible.

Could have been a row that they both apologised for and made up. Who knows.
 
hewielewie said:
It's beyond reasonable doubt in a criminal case, not on the balance of probabilities.
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That is to prosecute, not for me to form an opinion of him. I'm saying that the probability swings towards him being a horrible person who I believe shouldn't be allowed to continue his role as a public figure and role model. I will continue to judge harshly him and any club that decides to employ him and offer that position of privilege and wealth.
 
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