TeessideCleveland
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What on earth makes you think he'll score that many? He won'the’ll score 4 or 5 but ultimately make them less competitive in the big matches
What on earth makes you think he'll score that many? He won'the’ll score 4 or 5 but ultimately make them less competitive in the big matches
He scored 2 against West Brom who finished 4th?I’m being a little flippant with top half. It’s top 6 in 48 games for us against top 6 sides he failed to score in 46 of those games, because he just doesn’t have the technical ability
Tony McAndrew got a hatrick onceHe scored 2 against West Brom who finished 4th?
And Alan Kernaghan.Tony McAndrew got a hatrick once
Yes that was one of the two games out of 48 where he did score. I can list the lot out if you l don’t believe it?He scored 2 against West Brom who finished 4th?
That’s at most, I mean he’s got 2 league goals in 12 months in Turkey, so yes, he might struggle to get 4 or 5 even against defences like Birmingham. He did score 4 in cup game against a Turkish 3rd tier team recently though, I guess he’s too good for Turkish tier three but not good enough for top half championshipWhat on earth makes you think he'll score that many? He won't
Unable to find the video but will never forget the game cinching penalty he hoofed into the rafters in the 84th minute at Kenilworth Road on Woody’s managerial debut in 2019.Would he get a hero's welcome if he came back playing for an opposing team?
Did he fire us to promotion?
Did he laugh and snigger after he nearly put a penalty in the river tees ?
I remember him for 1 of the above ...
I was judging him on what his overall cost to the club , against what we got in return.Ridiculous statement, unless you've only been watching the club since 2019, and even then you're wrong
sorry I read the 46 as 48Yes that was one of the two games out of 48 where he did score. I can list the lot out if you l don’t believe it?
He just wasn’t good enough for a team aiming for promotion. We would have literally been better off not signing him and his dopey mate, who is currently stinking the place out at Wigan, and Gibbo just spending the money on a golden crapper for his new gaff.sorry I read the 46 as 48
What I will say about those 48 games he played he will have played the majority up top and asked not to play on the shoulder. He is not a striker who can play up top by himself and he wasn’t used in the right way.
Add in that Pulis throw him under the bus pretty much in his first post match interview and then continued to destroy him publicly it’s no surprise his confidence was shot
Ultimately he was a waste of 15 million. That wasn’t his fault and neither was the fact we didn’t play to his strengths
I mean having a quick look, even though Pulis destroyed he can back in the team towards the end of the season and scored 2 important goals against derby and Millwall. Millwall was a 6 pointer and derby ended up in the playoffs. At the time those games were about as big as it got for us under PulisHe just wasn’t good enough for a team aiming for promotion. We would have literally been better off not signing him and his dopey mate, who is currently stinking the place out at Wigan, and Gibbo just spending the money on a golden crapper for his new gaff.
I mean having a quick look, even though Pulis destroyed he can back in the team towards the end of the season and scored 2 important goals against derby and Millwall. Millwall was a 6 pointer and derby ended up in the playoffs. At the time those games were about as big as it got for us under Pulis
I mean we had a pitch invasion after the Millwall game
That isn’t assombalongas fault that PulisA goal against Milwall and a tap in against Derby doesn’t really do much to change my mind.
Pulis dropped the far superior Bamford and the playoffs ended up being a complete waste of time. They were miserable miserable years. I had more time for Brit than Fletcher but neither ultimately good enough.
Forss is literally better than them both and cost 2M
A goal against Milwall and a tap in against Derby doesn’t really do much to change my mind.
Pulis dropped the far superior Bamford and the playoffs ended up being a complete waste of time. They were miserable miserable years. I had more time for Brit than Fletcher but neither ultimately good enough.
Forss is literally better than them both and cost 2M
Other than he was actually ok at scoring headers if unmarked and within 8 yards, spot on. I think he got 1 assist in his time here, didn't close down intelligently, didn't run in behind often, rubbish at link up playI was judging him on what his overall cost to the club , against what we got in return.
Couldn't trap a bag of cement
Lousy at winning headers
Lousy at scoring headers
Big grin on his face every time he missed a penalty or one on one .
If you add up transfer/signing on fee and wages he probably cost us about £25 million, which works out at about half a million quid per goal , yeah what a player , absolute bargain.
That's nonsense it's 48 games against half decent defenders and he scored as many goals as planting a wheelie bin 8 yards out would score. His problem is he has poor technical and tactical ability, so he can't create space for himself with the ball at his feet. Once he blew his knee he couldn't run in behind very often either, so he is totally reliant on defenders switching off and the perfect ball being supplied. Decent defenders rarely switch off, which is why he can score 4 vs a Turkish tier 3 team, but score 3 in 48 games vs decent championship sides. It'll always be the way for him, because he lacks the technical and tactical ability.What I will say about those 48 games he played he will have played the majority up top and asked not to play on the shoulder. He is not a striker who can play up top by himself and he wasn’t used in the right way.
it can't always be someone elses fault. Other players scored for Warnock and Pulis over the years.Add in that Pulis throw him under the bus pretty much in his first post match interview and then continued to destroy him publicly it’s no surprise his confidence was shot
What exactly are his strengths?Ultimately he was a waste of 15 million. That wasn’t his fault and neither was the fact we didn’t play to his strengths
exactly, he was fine for a team needing to beat Burton and Birmingham and stay out of the bottom 3. He can make the difference between relegation sides and push one towards midtable safety. But for a team with play off aspirations, he's a hinderanceHe just wasn’t good enough for a team aiming for promotion.
Derby was indeed the only other top 6 (after WestBrom) side that he scored against in 4 years. You've brought those two up now lets look at his anonymous showings against Aston Villa, 4 times in that play off season. Wolves opening day Wolves, Cardiff, Fulham did nothing, a passenger. On the balance of his performances against the good sides, he wasn't up to it, easy to blame the manager, but even under Monk he did nothing against those teams. He stunk the place out for 4 years, we couldn't get rid and for 6 seasons he FUBAR'ed our FFP. Next summer is the first time since since 2017 that we can budget without having a 5.5m/season black hole caused by that transfer. Not his fault of course, but I could forgive some of it if he was actually a good footballer.I mean having a quick look, even though Pulis destroyed he can back in the team towards the end of the season and scored 2 important goals against derby and Millwall. Millwall was a 6 pointer and derby ended up in the playoffs. At the time those games were about as big as it got for us under Pulis